Good summary! > Since the public will never see a new release of WO, WO 6.0 = Wonder. > > It's kinda like saying that someone should write a book on Hypercard, and we > should all participate in what Hypercard 3.0 from apple would look like. > > "It would be great to capture how easy it worked compared to this > eclipse/wonder stuff." > > I wasn't an expert at the old WO style, but dear god is the new form of > development + wonder many times better. > > Just last year I had to rewrite a legacy app I wrote 6 years ago and make it > into a modern app. What I can implement now is crazy compared to the basic > system I had then. Debugging, maintenance and refactoring is now a dream > compared to the nightmare before. > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Bart Rijpers <jazzsa...@me.com> wrote: > Hi list, > > I think it is a very good idea to write a book about legacy WebObjects. It > would be great to capture how easy it worked compared to this eclipse/wonder > stuff. It would be even nicer if everyone one the list could participate in > describing how an updated WO 2012 à la Apple would look like: > - added support for new databases > - integration with iOS app development (deploy WOA on iOS) > - Jquery mobile kind of support like the framework Ken wrote, but integrated > in an app like WO builder > - New HTML editor in WO builder > - integration with Netbeans / glassfish server for deployment > - more? > > In other words: which architecture would be used for WO 6.0? > > Cheers, Bart > > > On 9 Jun 2012, at 21:00, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote: > > > Send Webobjects-dev mailing list submissions to > > webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > webobjects-dev-ow...@lists.apple.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Webobjects-dev digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: I am going to write a WO book (Lon Varscsak) > > 2. Re: Custom Entity Classes (Chuck Hill) > > 3. ERAttachment and _dbupdater do not agree in Wonder > > integration? (Johan Henselmans) > > 4. Creating Wonder D2W Application using WOLips without > > ERModernLook? (Farrukh Ijaz) > > 5. Re: Creating Wonder D2W Application using WOLips without > > ERModernLook? (David Holt) > > 6. Re: Creating Wonder D2W Application using WOLips without > > ERModernLook? (Farrukh Ijaz) > > 7. Re: I am going to write a WO book (James Cicenia) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:35:23 -0700 > > From: Lon Varscsak <lon.varsc...@gmail.com> > > To: WebObjects Apple Dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> > > Subject: Re: I am going to write a WO book > > Message-ID: > > <calaw18wie2qdzquh7u0vfv77j-qepq5vomdo5yhcd3cysqp...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > I felt left out. :P +1 > > > > Long live WOnder! > > > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Kieran Kelleher <kelleh...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> +1. > >> > >> On Jun 8, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> > >>> +1 > >>> > >>> There is no sense in writing a pure WO app these days, IMO. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 2012-06-08, at 9:55 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >>> > >>>> +1 > >>>> > >>>>> Aren't pure Apple WO apps dead aside from legacy? > >>>>> > >>>>> IMO wonder is the ONLY option to learn new. > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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They will be ignored. > >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lon.varscsak%40gmail.com > >> > >> This email sent to lon.varsc...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:34:25 -0700 > > From: Chuck Hill <ch...@global-village.net> > > To: doug andrews <dandr...@mediaspansoftware.com> > > Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> > > Subject: Re: Custom Entity Classes > > Message-ID: <90c37310-3e31-4f9a-8fb3-90085e701...@global-village.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi Doug, > > > > > > On 2012-06-08, at 9:35 AM, doug andrews wrote: > > > >> Most of my entities are of class EOGenericRecord. > >> I do have a few custom entity classes that extend EOGenericRecord. > > > > Either your app is really simple, or you are doing it wrong. :-) > > > > > >> Sometimes, not always, the accessor methods for the "to one" relationships > >> return null, even though I know the relationship exists. This usually > >> only occurs when the app has 70 or more sessions running. > > > > That sounds more like you are breaking EOF commandments and getting EOF > > state corruption due to concurrency conflicts. > > > > > >> The code for these custom entities was generated by the old EOModeler app. > >> They simply return storedValueForKey. > > > > That sounds correct. > > > > > >> The foreign key of the relationship is marked as "not null" in the model, > >> but the relationship is marked as "optional". I know this is probably > >> wrong, but the old EOModeler app let you get away with this, and i'm sure > >> stuff would break if i changed it now. > >> > >> To get the related entity from an EO that is of type EOGenericRecord, I > >> simply use valueForKey, and this never seems to return null. Since this > >> always works, should my accessor methods in my custom entity classes > >> return valueForKey instead of storedValueForKey? Would that fix my > >> problem? > > > > > > No, that will cause infinite recursion as valueForKey will call your > > accessor methods which will call valueForKey which will call.... > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > -- > > Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > > > > Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall > > knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. > > http://www.global-village.net/gvc/practical_webobjects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: smime.p7s > > Type: application/pkcs7-signature > > Size: 4893 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > <http://lists.apple.com/archives/webobjects-dev/attachments/20120608/1ad54581/attachment.p7s> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:19:47 +0200 > > From: Johan Henselmans <jo...@netsense.nl> > > To: WebObjects Dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> > > Subject: ERAttachment and _dbupdater do not agree in Wonder > > integration? > > Message-ID: <54ea615e-ee14-4184-93b1-ae528f4a1...@netsense.nl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > I am using integration from Wonder and noticed the fix that David > > Avendasora has pushed to make sure that cfPath is added to the erattachment > > table for the cloudfile extension. > > > > Unfortunately, I still got errors because cfPath was not created, which > > should have been because ERAttachment2.java in migrations of the > > ERAttachment Library. > > > > Looking in _dbupdater, I noticed that ERAttachment was on version 4: > > > > lockowner | modelname | updatelock | version > > | ERAttachment | 0 | 4 > > > > > > Is there any explanation how this version number got updated to 4, while > > there is only one migration from ERAttachment? > > > > (I fixed it by setting the version to 1 via: > > update _dbupdater set version = 1 where modelname = 'ERAttachment'; > > ) > > > > Johan Henselmans > > jo...@netsense.nl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:37:19 +0300 > > From: Farrukh Ijaz <farrukh.i...@fuegodigitalmedia.com> > > To: WebObjects Development <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> > > Subject: Creating Wonder D2W Application using WOLips without > > ERModernLook? > > Message-ID: > > <d9f61962-6f00-4062-92df-3f619a33f...@fuegodigitalmedia.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Hi, > > > > I was wondering if I could possibly create a Wonder D2W Application using > > WOLips without the dependency on ERModernLook? > > > > Right now ERModernLook seems to be tightly coupled with Wonder D2W > > Application and I don't find any option to choose from one of the old looks > > and, there is no option in WOLips to create a WebObjects D2W Application > > which used to be there in previous versions of WOLips I remember. > > > > ERModernLook is an excellent D2W framework, I just need a bare D2W > > application to test my own look and feel framework. > > > > Thanks for your advice, > > > > Farrukh > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 06:56:06 -0700 > > From: David Holt <programming...@mac.com> > > To: Farrukh Ijaz <farrukh.i...@fuegodigitalmedia.com> > > Cc: WebObjects Development <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> > > Subject: Re: Creating Wonder D2W Application using WOLips without > > ERModernLook? > > Message-ID: <054b5b1b-f585-4549-a4eb-21a7e68d3...@mac.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > > > I am pretty sure the answer is no. Are you having challenges removing the > > Modern Look dependencies? > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 2012-06-09, at 12:37 AM, Farrukh Ijaz > > <farrukh.i...@fuegodigitalmedia.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I was wondering if I could possibly create a Wonder D2W Application using > >> WOLips without the dependency on ERModernLook? > >> > >> Right now ERModernLook seems to be tightly coupled with Wonder D2W > >> Application and I don't find any option to choose from one of the old > >> looks and, there is no option in WOLips to create a WebObjects D2W > >> Application which used to be there in previous versions of WOLips I > >> remember. > >> > >> ERModernLook is an excellent D2W framework, I just need a bare D2W > >> application to test my own look and feel framework. > >> > >> Thanks for your advice, > >> > >> Farrukh > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com > >> > >> This email sent to programming...@mac.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:34:00 +0300 > > From: Farrukh Ijaz <farrukh.i...@fuegodigitalmedia.com> > > To: David Holt <programming...@mac.com> > > Cc: WebObjects Development <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> > > Subject: Re: Creating Wonder D2W Application using WOLips without > > ERModernLook? > > Message-ID: <h9o07wcdfjt1t5oxvu9nsl6m.1339252440...@email.android.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Thanks David, > > > > The answer No is a kind of disappointing :( I need to know what areas are > > affected with this change so I could remove it completely. I shall figure > > that out. I believe it's better if could move it back in WOLips and make > > modern look as separate project template. May be we would be able to > > contribute our look too :) > > > > Farrukh > > > > David Holt <programming...@mac.com> wrote: > > > >> I am pretty sure the answer is no. Are you having challenges removing the > >> Modern Look dependencies? > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> On 2012-06-09, at 12:37 AM, Farrukh Ijaz > >> <farrukh.i...@fuegodigitalmedia.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I was wondering if I could possibly create a Wonder D2W Application using > >>> WOLips without the dependency on ERModernLook? > >>> > >>> Right now ERModernLook seems to be tightly coupled with Wonder D2W > >>> Application and I don't find any option to choose from one of the old > >>> looks and, there is no option in WOLips to create a WebObjects D2W > >>> Application which used to be there in previous versions of WOLips I > >>> remember. > >>> > >>> ERModernLook is an excellent D2W framework, I just need a bare D2W > >>> application to test my own look and feel framework. > >>> > >>> Thanks for your advice, > >>> > >>> Farrukh > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com > >>> > >>> This email sent to programming...@mac.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:36:21 -0500 > > From: James Cicenia <ja...@jimijon.com> > > To: WebObjects Development <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> > > Subject: Re: I am going to write a WO book > > Message-ID: <cbbe57c4-81de-48d5-bd21-941bf5f7b...@jimijon.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Have to definitely agree with Wonder. After converting a legacy app, the > > difference is amazing. > > However, I also learned D2W and believe this best kept secret is still the > > best weapon out there > > and as such should be documented. > > > > I don't think I will ever do an app without D2W again especially with the > > Modern versions. > > > > And to create an app with it would document everything else anyway. > > > > Regards, > > James > > > > On Jun 8, 2012, at 10:07 AM, arosenzw...@clinworx.com wrote: > > > >> Hi Markus, > >> > >> Good for you! Thank you for even thinking about this. > >> > >> You ask what you should say about WOnder? I'd recommend the following: > >> > >> 1) Defining what the project is and some history > >> > >> 2) Show how to integrate it in your app, the pre-requisites. > >> > >> 3) Leave it at that. > >> > >> You kind of have to do this. When you are using the modern tools new users > >> can make either a "pure Apple" app or a "WOnder App" and they'll be > >> curious. You should let them know that WOnder opens the doors to Web 2.0 > >> and much more (fixing bugs and issues is also a big part that you get for > >> free). Suggest they use it always, even if they don't consciously use > >> pieces from it. As they tackle tough problems remind them "Don't forget to > >> dig through the WOnder treasure trove and ask questions on the list. More > >> than likely, an answer to your problem already awaits!" > >> > >> Cheers, > >> -- Aaron _______________________________________________ > >> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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