On Oct 16, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Ray Kiddy <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:20:15 +0200
> "Markus Stoll, junidas GmbH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> where possible, I switched to feature detection using 
>> 
>> http://modernizr.com
>> 
>> This depends on a small javascript library running on your page.
>> 
>> Markus
>> 
> 
> Apparently someone already thought this was a good library. I knew it
> was in wonder somewhere. Of course, everything is, somewhere.
> 
> $ find wonder -name modernizr\*
> wonder/Examples/Misc/ERWebSocketExample/WebServerResources/js/modernizr-1.7.js
> wonder/Examples/Misc/ERWebSocketExample/WebServerResources/js/modernizr-1.7.min.js
> 
> - ray

See also: er.extensions.components.ERXModernizr

> 
> 
>>> Am 15.10.2014 um 05:30 schrieb Paul Hoa
> dley <[email protected]>:
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> On 15 Oct 2014, at 11:25 am, David Holt <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> We're beginning to tackle just this problem. One helpful site is
>>>> http://www.whatismybrowser.com and has an API available, but I'm
>>>> not sure that it does anything different than you could do in WO.
>>>> We use it in a support context to tell people whether they are
>>>> running a browser considered out of date and gives instructions
>>>> for how to update, turn on JavaScript etc. I've realized since,
>>>> though that it is quite laptop/desktop centric since a quick
>>>> download will not be the solution to upgrade a browser on mobile
>>>> devices. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks I'll take a look at that.  Google suggests there is at least
>>> one Java-based browser sniffing project in what seems like active
>>> development, which might be useful:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/HaraldWalker/user-agent-utils
>>> 
>>> Presumably you could write a more modern implementation of
>>> ERXBrowser with something like that.
>>> 
>>>> Another problem we're encountering is the huge variety in
>>>> connection speed differences between "modern" devices. Also, since
>>>> people are now using USB cel sticks or their mobile devices as
>>>> hotspots for laptops, the variety is unpredictable and vast. We
>>>> can no longer make the assumptions about connection speed that we
>>>> could have even a couple of years ago.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry for no solution, but maybe our experience can add fuel to
>>>> the fire :)
>>> 
>>> Definitely.  I really just wanted to know what other people were
>>> doing.  I fully understand the philosophical objection to browser
>>> sniffing, and the theoretical superiority of client-side capability
>>> detection and responsive design, but sometimes you have to solve
>>> actual problems in the real world on a limited budget.  In this
>>> case, all I want to know is whether the user is probably running a
>>> "mobile" browser at the time of their first request.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Paul Hoadley
>>> http://logicsquad.net/
> 
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