> On Oct 2, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Paul Yu <p...@me.com> wrote: > > Upon further reading of the wiki page. > > Due to copyright enforcement duration, it does us no good for us to declare > WebObjects and its frameworks abandoned by Apple. Since Apple has not and > will probably not release it copyright ownership on the software. > >> On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is >> <mailto:h...@karlmenn.is>> wrote: >> >> Apple silently killed WebObjects and abandoned it's users roughly a decade >> ago (in a somewhat less-than-honest manner (Floop-de-diddity-doo You, >> Apple)). >> >> But the community marches on. I’m constantly impressed by how this community >> survives and keeps what's essentially a dead product the best >> IDE/web-framework combination available. But at the same time, it’s kind of >> triste. We’ll never get new users. No one will use a dead framework. I >> hesitate to recommend it myself. >> >> We really need a future destination. I’ve found a future for my data in >> Cayenne (I’ve converted most of my WO/EOF projects to use Cayenne instead of >> EOF and it’s awesome) but I haven’t found any web frameworks that can even >> begin to compare to WO. And I’ve looked hard. >> >> - hugi >> >> >> >>> On 2. okt. 2015, at 21:01, Alan Ward <aw...@apple.com >>> <mailto:aw...@apple.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I think Apple has abandoned WebObjects outside of Apple but not inside. >>> Just my personal opinion >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Paul Yu <p...@mac.com <mailto:p...@mac.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I was reading this Wikipedia article. >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware> >>>> >>>> Would the list agree that WebObjects is now abandonware? >>>> >>>> "Definitions of "abandoned" vary, but in general it is like any item that >>>> is abandoned - it is ignored by the owner, and as such product support and >>>> possibly copyright enforcement are also "abandoned". It can refer to a >>>> product that is no longer available for legal purchase, over the age where >>>> the product creator feels an obligation to continue to support it, or >>>> where operating systems <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_systems> >>>> or hardware <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_hardware>platforms >>>> have evolved to such a degree that the creator feels continued support >>>> cannot be financially justified." >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >>>> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com >>>> <https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/award%40apple.com> >>>> >>>> This email sent to aw...@apple.com >>>> <mailto:aw...@apple.com>_______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >>> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is >>> <https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is> >>> >>> This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is <mailto:h...@karlmenn.is> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com >> <https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com> >> >> This email sent to p...@mac.com >
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