Well said, Aaron. WOBuilder was great. That said, I haven’t hated WOLips - I’ve actually really liked some aspects of the workflow.
Also, I’ll add secondarily that I find it unlikely that anyone will move to Xcode from Eclipse. Tim UCLA GSE&IS > On Jul 4, 2020, at 8:46 AM, Aaron Rosenzweig via Webobjects-dev > <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: > > Thanks OC for sharing your experience and your code for the EOModeler on OSX. > (I realize that is jvanek’s link; however, it was you who cobbled together > the first version). > > Eclipse does two things well: > 1) Refactoring > 2) Cross platform (Macs, PCs, Linux - mixed environment) > > I use Eclipse today mainly because my team-mates chose it… and it’s ok, it > has issues, but it’s alright for me. If we were honest, IntelliJ does those > two things better than Eclipse but it doesn’t have the WOLips plugin. That > plug-in is good but it is a never-ending struggle where Eclipse keeps > breaking it in strange ways and nobody enjoys figuring out that useful friend > in a foreign land. We’ve never fit in with the Eclipse community. > > It was nice in the days when you could double-click install WebObjects with > tooling on a Mac. I enjoyed ProjectBuilder, WOBuilder, EOModeler, it all > worked very nice for the most part. It had some issues too… there are always > issues, but that was the heyday and when I enjoyed working with WO the most. > If it were up to me I’d run MacOS Tiger in a VM with all that tooling when > doing WO. But to be the lone wolf when others prefer getting rid of the .wod > file and not using the same IDE setup it’s more like fighting than being > productive. > > There was something guttural, tangible, enjoyable, with dragging member > variables into component bindings. I enjoyed WOBuilder immensely and even > created my member variables there. Whatever I do today I do in a trance where > I imagine I was doing things that way. It’s like channelling an ancient codex > to do my bidding in the modern age. > > I’m fortunate that much of what I loved I do today in Ares / Enyo but it too > is dead. Why is it that the flame that burns Twice as bright burns half as > long? > AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike <http://www.chatnbike.com/> > e: aa...@chatnbike.com <mailto:aa...@chatnbike.com> t: (301) 956-2319 > > >> On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:29 PM, OCsite via Webobjects-dev >> <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com <mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> >> wrote: >> >> ... well, myself, I have found Eclipse next-to-unuseable (WOLips itself >> looked good, but it's, alas, Eclipse-based). In case there's more people >> similarly Eclipse-incompatible, let me just remind that the good ole XCode >> (with a couple of build scripts added) is considerably more convenient than >> Eclipse, and the only thing it can't do reasonably is EOmodelling. >> >> Which is why there's a stand-alone EOModeller application, freely available >> at https://github.com/jvanek/EOModeler-OSX >> <https://github.com/jvanek/EOModeler-OSX> >> >> (There's no graph view: for graph view you can use OmniGraffle, which still >> supports EOModels very nicely.) >> >> All the best, >> OC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/aaron%40chatnbike.com >> <https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/aaron%40chatnbike.com> >> >> This email sent to aa...@chatnbike.com <mailto:aa...@chatnbike.com> > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com > <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com > <https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com> > > This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com <mailto:li...@thetimmy.com>
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