Good morning Hugi, I just watched your “ng preview” video on YouTube—really impressive work by you and the rest of the contributors.
I’ve been working with this technology since the NeXT days, back when Craig Federighi was on the EOF team. I was even beta testing EOF 2.0, using EOF/AppKit at the time, before we eventually adopted WebObjects. I’ve been with WebObjects from the beginning, when WebScript and Objective-C were the primary languages, and later transitioned our projects from Objective-C to Java. At some point along the way we adopted Wonder mainly to pick up fixes to the existing WebObjects and other functionality. I’m always interested in alternatives that feel familiar to WO but can adapt more easily to the constantly evolving Java world. That’s one of the reasons I’m also looking at Cayenne as an alternative to EOF. I didn’t notice an equivalent of a .wod file in the demo, but overall it’s very impressive and promising work. By the way, I recognize many of the contributors on GitHub—it’s great to see such a strong team behind these projects. I’m also interested in the other projects you’ve published, including Wonder-slim, Parsley, modulo, and vermilingua-maven-plugin. Parsley will likely be the first one we adopt, as a replacement for WOOgnl in our existing apps. Thank you again for all of this work—it’s really exciting to see these developments. Best regards, Ricardo Parada > On Sep 23, 2025, at 4:07 AM, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Ricardo, > > yeah, in short, I love WO so I've been slooowly working on a web framework > inspired by it in the past few years, keeping APIs similar where it matters > to make transition of my existing stuff easy, but still a clean room > implementation (well … whatever "clean room" means when you're creating > something inspired by software you've been using for 27 years — and for 10 of > those, hacking it up to keep it working. Don't think I'll sound good in > court. But no copying of code. Although AribaWeb helped a lot. And WOOgnl got > totally ripped off — thanks Mike! :) > > And yes, a lot of the effort on ng leaks back into WO through the projects in > github.com/undur , like Parsley. There's a lot of "crossover" in the work on > the two and I have a large number of WO projects running, some of them large > client projects that won't be migrated any time soon, so I need WO fresh and > chipper for at least the next couple of years. > > Obligatoriy caveat; as I mentioned before, even if essentially usable and > working, ng is still at an unstable stage design wise and has little to no > documentation, so I currently only recommend it for the curious and brave. > But the first prerelease due soon should clarify the situation a little. > > Cheers, > - hugi > > >> On 22 Sep 2025, at 23:24, Ricardo Parada <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Hugi, >> >> ng-objects sounds very interesting. I had not heard of it (I think) until >> now. >> >> Is it basically an implementation of the most popular stuff in WebObjects >> (such as the application class, session class, components and templates, >> dynamic elements, component actions) with Parsley for the templates, inline >> bindings support, short tags, all rolled into one and open source? >> >> Thank you >> Ricardo Parada >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 22, 2025, at 10:08 AM, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Francois, >>> >>> It's built using ng-objects and Cayenne. The sources for the site are here: >>> https://github.com/undur/whoacommunity . >>> >>> I originally created the site to host the WOCommunity Slack channel's >>> archives (back when Slack decided deleting all our old data was a nice >>> move). Recently added the "blog" on the front page, mostly so I can stop >>> flooding the Slack channel with every thought in my head. Besides, Slack >>> isn't a good place for content since everything written there eventually >>> disappears. >>> >>> Planning on allowing comments on the articles. And if anyone else wants to >>> be able to publish "articles", I'd be happy to add that functionality. >>> >>> Contemplating more stuff — ideas and pull requests welcomed. Sorry it's >>> written in ng and not WO, but that's where I'm headed. My WO projects like >>> wonder-slim and Parsley, although practical in general, are partially a >>> stepping stone to assist with that migration. But I imagine that process >>> will take at least a couple of years so you won't be rid of me quite yet :). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> - hugi >>> >>> >>>> On 22 Sep 2025, at 13:09, Francois BIENTZ via Webobjects-dev >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> I just discovered this site >>>> Is https://www.whoacommunity.com build with wonder-slim and Cayenne ? >>>> >>>> franc >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is >>>> >>>> This email sent to [email protected] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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