While everything you're saying is true, it misses the point I'm making. If head is always stable, when why not just tag it from time to time? So what if it's arbitrary! Tags aren't always about stability, or feature completeness. They're also about *known state*. When I say "I have the $SOME_VERSION release", it means I have some known set of changes. While many of us have adopted the "it's just a changeset" DVCS mentality, package managers on linux mostly have not. RPM can't tell which of two git hashes is newer when deciding to do an update, for example.
I realize this an operations vs development tension, but it's rare that I hear "forget operations needs!" expressed so brazenly. Tagging doesn't preclude making a custom package, or just following HEAD. It does make it easier for me to update 100 machines that run web.py at once. What's wrong with that? GL On Mar 19, 1:55 pm, Branko Vukelic <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok, how about if I put it this way: > > Does a tag make it more stable and/or complete than any individual > commit? I don't think so. You don't have to make a RPM off HEAD, > though. Every commit has a marker, and you can use that instead of a > tag. On Arch Linux that I use, there are many packages like that, and > they are no worse than whatever upstream tagged as an explicit > release. > > Point is, web.py's commits tend to be clean and frustration-free, at > least as far as I can tell. Others may correct me on that. > > > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Gregg Lind <[email protected]> wrote: > > Branko, > > > Well, I beg to differ about there being no need. There may not be a > > programmatic need, but there is a business need. My company prefers > > to deploy via RPM, and making an RPM off HEAD is inelegant. Frequent > > tagged versions (even if they aren't major releases) would help, and > > they aren't that much cost (just make a git tag, and be done :) ). > > > (As an aside, I'd be interested in helping beef up regression tests on > > web.py) > > > Gregg > > > On Mar 19, 1:33 pm, Branko Vukelic <[email protected]> wrote: > >> There's no need. I've never seen a commit to master branch break > >> something. You can safely use the latest development version without > >> too much problem. At some level, you could probably fix a bug > >> yourself, or at least spot it, courtesy of small code base. > > >> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Greg Milby <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > the frequent releases would help functionality to be fully tested/gather > >> > feedback to help shape future releases & like-functionality (jmho) > > >> > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Gregg Lind <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > > >> >> web.py is under active development. Perhaps it should have shorter > >> >> release cycles (between versions), to make it easier for downstream > >> >> users to get benefits, while still having properly packaged versions > >> >> (0.33, 0.34)... > > >> >> We just spend this morning at my workplace arguing about whether to > >> >> make an rpm of HEAD (calling it 0.33.1) or whether to just include > >> >> the /web in our source tree. I'd like to not do that again :) > > >> >> Gregg > > >> >> -- > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >> Groups > >> >> "web.py" group. > >> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> >> [email protected]. > >> >> For more options, visit this group at > >> >>http://groups.google.com/group/webpy?hl=en. > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> > "web.py" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > [email protected]. > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/webpy?hl=en. > > >> -- > >> Branko Vukelić > > >>http://foxbunny.tumblr.com/http://www.flickr.com/photos/16889...@n04/... > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "web.py" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/webpy?hl=en. > > -- > Branko Vukelić > > http://foxbunny.tumblr.com/http://www.flickr.com/photos/16889...@n04/http://www.twitter.com/foxbunnyhttp://github.com/foxbunny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web.py" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/webpy?hl=en.
