I have an immense amount of respect for the work of Chuck, Ian and others but I couldn't disagree more about whether the image of Webware can afford to remain one of a tool for a clued up, insider group of developers, and hope that it will eventually infect some enlightened manager. Apologies if anyone feels I have misrepresented the main thrust of the preceding discussion.
Yes, that's one way of looking at what I was saying. And, I guess, that is what I meant.
It's not that Webware couldn't be a viable corporate-level choice, but not as "Webware". If I was to imagine that possibility, it would be with Webware in a larger stack of tools, with some sort of corporate champion. Or even barring a champion, it would need to be a more complete environment. Which maybe is what Webware was once intended to be, but for better or worse (better, IMHO) it's developed in a more decoupled manner.
Well, there might be other ways for Webware to be more popular. But I think we need to consider realistic goals -- what's the ideal scenario you are envisioning?
Ian
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