Because tilt can be a negative number I think we have to rule out 
group_direction which I think has a range of 0 to 360.  Not sure about 
group_angle, do you know if it allows for positive and negative angles?

Craig

On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 6:30:28 PM UTC+12 gjr80 wrote:

> Remember, unit groups are for picking an appropriate unit for a 
> field/observation (including allowing for conversion between applicable 
> units) and providing a suitable format and label. Your description brings 
> to mind two possible suitable unit groups; group_direction and group_angle. 
> Both of these unit groups support fields/observations in degrees (
> degree_compass for group_direction and degree_angle for group_angle. Both 
> provide (default) unit labels of the degree symbol, both offer similar 
> (default) formats (%03.0f v %02.0f). group_angle facilitates unit 
> conversion between degrees and radians, which may or may not be something 
> you use now or in the future, group_direction does not support this 
> conversion.
>
> We tend to re-use unit groups where we can, only creating new unit groups 
> where there is no other suitable unit group. Remember, default unit group 
> formats and labels are only defaults and can be altered or overridden in a 
> tag using .format() (eg for tilt you might want to always display a sign 
> and format to one decimal place so you might decide to alter the default or 
> override the default format using .format() with the format string '%+02.1
> ').
>
> Gary
> On Saturday, 23 September 2023 at 14:40:36 UTC+10 craig.y...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Signal4 and Signal 5 are sensor tilt measurements in degrees.  For 
>> example, if the sensor is tilted 1.5 degrees in the N/S direction the value 
>> for Signal4 = 1.5 degrees.  Looking at units.py and defaults.py I see 
>> groups for degrees temperature, degrees direction, but not degrees tilt.  
>> Should a new group "group-tilt" be added through the driver or should this 
>> be added to weewx files to be made available to everyone?
>>
>> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 4:06:25 PM UTC+12 Craig Young wrote:
>>
>>> I will add the assignments in the driver.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 12:38:22 PM UTC+12 Tom Keffer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good advice!
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 5:35 PM gjr80 <gjrod...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The other other variation on Tom's advice to use extensions.py, 
>>>>> particularly if you are (still keen on) writing your own driver, is to 
>>>>> include the unit group assignments in the driver file. They statements 
>>>>> only 
>>>>> need to be somewhere where they are executed each time WeeWX starts. If 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> fields are inextricably linked to the driver having everything in one 
>>>>> place 
>>>>> can be of benefit. I've used this approach with some of the drivers I 
>>>>> have 
>>>>> written.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, 23 September 2023 at 10:11:16 UTC+10 tke...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, alternatively, you can assign them to appropriate unit groups 
>>>>>> <http://www.weewx.com/docs/customizing.htm#Assigning_a_unit_group> 
>>>>>> in the file user/extensions.py:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *import weewx.units*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *weewx.units.obs_group_dict['signal1'] = 'group_radiation'*
>>>>>> *weewx.units.obs_group_dict['signal2'] = 'group_temperature'*
>>>>>> *weewx.units.obs_group_dict['signal3'] = 'group_radiation'*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you would not need to specify a format and label. It would also 
>>>>>> allow you to do things like 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *The temperature is $current.signal2.degree_C 
>>>>>> ($current.signal2.degree_F)*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to publish the temperature in both ºC and ºF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -tk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 4:38 PM Craig Young <craig.y...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Tom.  Signal1 for my station is the signal voltage from a 
>>>>>>> pyrgometer.  Signal2 is the temperature of the pyrgometer sensor (C) 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> Signal3 is the long wave intensity (W/m2) calculated by the datalogger. 
>>>>>>>  So 
>>>>>>> if I understand correctly, the weewx engine will pass these values 
>>>>>>> untouched through the various services and add to the DB as real 
>>>>>>> numbers.  
>>>>>>> I can then deal with them manually when creating the report.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 11:00:54 AM UTC+12 Tom Keffer 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Signals are for ill-defined measurements. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unit groups exist for two reasons:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    1. To pick an appropriate unit for a type of measurement. For 
>>>>>>>>    example, ºC for temperatures.
>>>>>>>>    2. To pick an appropriate format and label.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Signals don't fit neatly into these reasons. They don't take a 
>>>>>>>> unit, and it's not obvious what format and what label they should use. 
>>>>>>>> So, 
>>>>>>>> they were left out of units.py and defaults.py. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can use the signal types without adding them to a unit group. 
>>>>>>>> You just won't be able to convert them to a different unit (which they 
>>>>>>>> don't have anyway), and there will be no automatic formatting and 
>>>>>>>> labelling. If you need a format, use a .format() suffix. If you need a 
>>>>>>>> format, just add it on. For example:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *$current.signal1.format("%d") widgets*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alternatively, if your signal is actually some kind of counter, you 
>>>>>>>> could assign them to group_count. Then they would use "%d" for the 
>>>>>>>> format, 
>>>>>>>> and an empty string for the label.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 3:22 PM Craig Young <craig.y...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the wview_extended.py schema there is a group of types for 
>>>>>>>>> signals (signal1, signal2, .. signal8) and stored in the DB as reals. 
>>>>>>>>>  I 
>>>>>>>>> looked in units.py but did not see signals listed. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 9:40:17 AM UTC+12 Craig Young 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What units group do the observation type Signals fall under?   
>>>>>>>>>> Or, if I use a signal do I need to update a configuration file to 
>>>>>>>>>> place it 
>>>>>>>>>> into a units group.
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