Thanks everyone,

Great to hear so many people are test-driving outside in.

As far as executable specification go, I think it depends who is
reading/writing them. I have yet to see anyone read a cucumber
feature, so I am not very interested in that overhead without good
reason. Specification By Example swears by it though, so I keep an
open mind.

Certainly I don't think non-technical people (testers for example)
should be *automating* acceptance criteria as they'll never be able to
write them clean enough.

I guess what I really want to know is if it realistic to expect good
browser-driven AAT for large, javascript-based applications. Or are
the tests likely to be impractically slow and/or brittle? (Consider
that a full regression sweep by humans takes two weeks.)

What about helping testers with automation? Anyone had god experiences
with that? Perhaps that's a good intermediate step.

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On Feb 10, 3:03 pm, Walter McGinnis <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Jeremy Olliver <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > We've just setup Jenkins as CI yesterday, though this isn't the first time 
> > we've used it, and it seems to be pretty good.
> > I'm not a fan of plain language specifications myself, though am finding on 
> > our current project that rspec syntax in combination with Capybara steps 
> > (no cucumber) is very readable. I don't think it's feasible to get a BA to 
> > write the acutal tests/specs personally, and if they only need to specify 
> > what you're testing, not write it themselves, then sitting down with a 
> > BA/tester and writing some specs then is a nice way to go.
>
> Here's more discussion about cutting out cucumber and using some helpers for 
> more helpful output when using rspec with capybara:
>
> http://blog.railsware.com/2012/01/08/capybara-with-givenwhenthen-step...
>
> Haven't tried it myself.

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