On 2/5/07 11:40 AM, "Jon Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Embedded and inline editors would include the textarea tag, which is clearly >> not WYSIWYG for HTML (but is for plain text) so both are poor terms. > > Embedded, inline editors would include "contenteditable" areas and documents > with "designMode" on, like the box I'm typing in right now in Gmail.
As would WYSIWYG, and that's a good thing. Textarea however would be excluded from WYSIWYG but included in embedded, inline editors. My point was that there are multiple classes of software which can be embedded or inlined into a HTML page and provide a means to edit HTML content. The term embedded or inline is thus not specific enough to describe the class of software that attempts to make HTML editing WYSIWYG (eg: EditLive!, TinyMCE, FCKEditor etc). > I think better solutions are coming along for the case of converting an HTML > document to PDF in all its graphical glory on a server without X Window, etc. > (e.g. a way of using Gecko to do the work without opening a window.) I don't > think it's necessary to cater to these systems by allowing presentational > markup. With a choice between <font face="Arial"> and <span style="font-family: Arial"> I'd be happy to cater to them, however given that the current spec would still require the span tag version it's entirely pointless. The real issue here is that a very significant number of authors want to be able to say "make this bit of text Arial, 18pt" and the HTML spec doesn't want them to do that (for good reason). If we must have users saying doing things like that I'd prefer that the HTML markup essentially said "the author specifically asked for this content to be a different font" rather than "this text is somehow special" (which is my take on what span means). That said, by default our editor outputs the span tag version because we like to follow standards and I recommend using our styles menu to apply CSS classes and appropriate structural markup (headings etc). We did however have to go back and add an option to output font tags because of user complaints. Regards, Adrian Sutton. ______________________ Adrian Sutton, Integrations Product Manager Global Direct: +1 (650) 292 9659 x717 Australia: +61 (7) 3858 0118 UK +44 (20) 8123 0617 x717 Mobile +61 (4) 222-36329 Ephox <http://www.ephox.com/>, Ephox Blogs <http://planet.ephox.com/>