As a side note: one thing that sucks about Hibernate now is the way they do their proxying in 3.0 We have had a bunch of problems with it. Most notably, you can't have final classes, as Hibernate can't create proxies for them. If you do, you get exceptions. Worse, if you have final getters and setters, Hibernate can't create proxy methods for them. But Hibernate won't tell you! It took us (Maurice and I) many hours to finally discover this.

Just wanted to say that other frameworks like Cayenne and JDO (it's a spec, okay) can still be viable alternatives.

Eelco


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