I worked w/ vs.net 2002/2003 since the day each of them was released, 2002 for a long while before it was "final". I actually quite liked it compared to Visual Interdev and the old vs 6.0 stuff.
Of course, you're right - It's Windows-centric and doesn't allow the freedom. Once I dove into the Java world and saw what I had available to me it was very hard to justify building apps in .NET again. The biggest upside was mature ORM for Java - specifically Hibernate. Microsoft hyped, then failed miserably at releasing their own ORM framework (ObjectSpaces) and that's when I started making a push here at the office for Java. So far, soooooo good! You're right about source code as well. In the java "community" you're likely to find exactly what you need as far as source code or libraries to integrate into your app....probably 100% free and/or open source. You're more likely to find that componenets come at a price, if they're useful. On 5/23/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Be glad you didn't have to work with VS 2003, that one sucked. VS 2005 is much better; one of the things I like is the integration of (integration) testing. I think they did a nice job on that. Of course easy for them as they just support Windows/ IE. One of the things I hate most of working with VS.NET is not having much source code available and in general not having as much choice of (open source) components/ frameworks/ ... as with Java. Eelco On 5/23/06, Potje rode kool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think its more what you are used to(what you prefer), I am working for > some few months with .Net 2.0 with vs.net 2005 but I never got the fealing > that I got something with vs.net that I didn't have with Eclipse. But great > things happening with Netbeans, with Matise and Jackpot. With .Net you are > limited what Microsoft has to offer. You develop in vs.net and deploy on > IIS, for web application. > > But what do you like so mutch about the Microsoft stuff, what is so great > about vs.net? I am asking this because I am interested. > > Thanks, > Evert > > 2006/5/23, VGJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > Before we moved to Java as our primary platform at work, I had done years > of development w/ MS technologies and you can love or hate Microsoft, but > the ease of which you're able to sit down and get to work is one thing they > *have* gotten right. The fact that it takes four months to install vs.net > on modern hardware probably says something to that, but regardless, you're > able to simply focus on your application - not like the relatively gnarly > dev environment setup w/ Java. > > > > Though I prefer Eclipse *slightly* over Netbeans I think Sun is headed in > the right direction when it comes to ease of initial setup, probably > inspired by Visual Studio. I think most new users would find it easier to > start w/ Netbeans for this reason. I'd be using it myself if the editor was > as nice and feature-rich as eclipse. > > > > What I'd never want to see is the monolithic consolidation of > technologies, like Microsoft has; you get one choice for app server, web > framework, etc. If Java ever gets *that* easy than we've lost the massive > advantage of freedom of choice. > > > > Anyhow, I might blog-up a little setup guide for new users for Windows and > Linux using Wicket as the web framework. I'll try to do that this weekend > as crunch-time will be over and I can breathe once again. > > > > Anyone else there developing on Linux? I use Gentoo myself but I suppose > the "majority" is probably using Ubuntu by now? Linux might be a tough one > to please a lot of people as far as setting up the JDK (though this should > get easier w/ the new license.) > > > > > > -v > > > > > > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 08:59 +0300, Alvar Lumberg wrote: > > Basically his problem seems to be this whole J2EE hell which has > > nothing to do with wicket - like creating a webapp directory with a > > valid structure, add web.xml and so on.. > > > > I suppose VGJ got the point and there most certainly is work to be > > done so building web apps in Java doesn't intimidate the hell out a of > > a Java novice. > > > > On 5/20/06, Nick Heudecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm also confused by this. What are the specific problems you're > > > encountering? The more detail you can provide, the better the wiki page > > > I'll write will be. :) > > > > > > > > > On 5/20/06, Ayodeji Aladejebi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > configuration hell with wicket? well for some of us who have tasted > > > struts, spring web flow and JSP stuffs....wicket is heaven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wicket-user mailing list > > Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid7521&bid$8729&dat1642 _______________________________________________ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
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