-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Throw in JSR-170 in the mix and have some fun...
Troy MacNeil wrote: > De-lurking twice in one day, rare indeed;) I'm very much in favour of > the "toolkit with a capable sample application" approach though. > > When I've used PHP I've found that the concept of a plug-in for a PHP > CMS is very informal and undefined. If you want to create a file upload > plug-in you write a file upload page. You tie it into the rest of the > CMS almost as an afterthought. > > This lack of rigour leads to some very ugly plug-ins code wise, but > makes it very easy to write a plug-in or change existing functionality. > I think that is why there is such a community and so many available > (often overlapping) plug-ins. > > The Java response to this (JSR-107) has been to create large monolithic > CMSs which use template engines to hide some of the complexity. In > practise, it makes does make basic templating simple while extending > functionality or adding new functionality actually becomes more > daunting. > > I think this would ultimately be just as true of a large CMS using > Wicket for presentation as any of the other presentation layers in use. > > I also think it misses the point. Simplify database access with > Hibernate. Simplify the presentation by hiding complex code in > components. Ditch templating in favour of some loosely coupled Wicket > pages using Wickets own HTML separation. I think you'd end up with > something that competes very well with PHP in terms of simplicity and > ease of modification while retaining access to the benefits of Java. > > All this is just my opinion, and a simpler sample application like what > I envision could easily grow into a larger CMS with time or co-exist > with a more ambitious CMS project. > > Troy > > On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 17:24 -0400, Hugh Willson wrote: >> Hi Erik! >> >> I understand your CMS component approach, and it makes a lot of sense. >> I also, however, do see the benefit of creating a full blown CMS in >> Wicket. I've used a lot of different open sources CMS', and I really >> have yet to find one created using Java that I like. PHP holds the >> crown when it comes to open source CMS' - not because PHP is superior >> in any way (although it may be in some areas :-), but because of the >> community surrounding PHP based CMS'. The community is incredible! >> Third party development for Joomla, Drupal and Typo3 blows my mind! I >> like writing code in Java, and focusing on really clean OO models. >> Because of this, I want to use a clean, simple and modular CMS that I >> can extend easily using Java (and that allows me to take advantage of >> the enormous amounts of high quality Java libraries available). This >> is where I see Wicket coming into play - it really helps keep things >> simple and clean. Oh ya, and it's fun to work with!!! :-) I >> definitely can see the advantages and situations where the components >> you've mentioned would come in handy, but I can also see certain >> situations where a full blown, simple, elegant, and fun to work with >> CMS would help make our lives easier. >> >> Hugh. >> >> On 8/29/06, Erik Brakkee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> CMS is something that I have been very interested in. I'd love to have >>>> such a thing, but have avoided building one myself because, as you say, >>>> I do have other projects that I work on. Starting up a CMS by myself >>>> would take more time than I could give. But to collaborate on a CMS >>>> with others.... That I can do. :-) >>>> >>>> >>> I would also be willing to help. But just to clarify what I meant, I >>> don't want to develop a CMS, but develop CMS components for use in >>> wicket applications. In other words, what I am looking for are >>> components usable in any wicket application with the only dependency >>> being wicket-core (and possibly wicket-auth). Given the wide choice of >>> CMSs out there, it would not make sense to develop yet another CMS. >>> >>> Eelco wrote: >>> >>>> I'd be interested in helping out here and there too. A joint effort >>>> would be great. Though we should be careful not to let such a project >>>> fall in the 'designed by committee' category. >>> That is my fear as well, especially if we would focus on standards such >>> as JSR-170 too much. In my opinion, the focus should be on a good >>> object-oriented design of the components themselves with friendly >>> interfaces, and on keeping it simple. >>> >>> I intend to write a comments component for my application anyway >>> (because I need it), so that could serve as a starting point for further >>> discussions. Or, slightly rephrased, how do we start? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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