Piotr, have you seen this: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Query_service ?
On May 17, 2012, at 1:50 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Piotr, > > I've had a reasonable success rate by filing requests at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bot_requests. Several programmers keep > an eye on it and if they think the task interesting and useful you may get > lucky. > > WSC > > On 16 May 2012 18:09, Piotr Konieczny <pio...@post.pl> wrote: > Dario, > > Thanks, but the last time I looked into this, running queries required > knowing how to code going way beyond a simple knowledge of wiki syntax or > excel functions. I think it was at WikiSym few years back where we raised > that issue - that much of the data Wikimedia provides is limited to the small > subset of scholars who can code with pretty names like Java or Pearl and > such. I am pretty sure this is the reason for why social sciences have been > lagging in Wikipedia research since day one... > > Now, if I am wrong about any of the above, do let me know. But the last time > I looked at > https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Database_access#Command-line_access it > didn't look too user friendly (for a non-coder). > > Is there any place where a non-coder can ask a Toolserv coder to run some of > those queries? I'd be happy to trade some of my Wiki skills (as in, writing a > DYK, or reviewing a GA) for such assistance :) > > -- > Piotr Konieczny > > "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on > one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Pilsudski > > On 5/10/2012 2:29 PM, Dario Taraborelli wrote: >> >> Piotr, >> >> if you are interested in getting fresh figures about lifetime edit counts I >> recommend you register an account on the toolserver where you can run >> queries against the user table (which holds cumulative edit counts across >> all namespaces for a specific wiki). For namespace-specific counts you will >> need to use the revision table and that's much more time consuming. >> >> On a related note, this real-time dashboard I just uploaded to the >> toolserver (representing account registrations and the fraction of new users >> clicking on the edit button or passing the 1 edit threshold ) could be of >> interest http://toolserver.org/~dartar/reg2/ >> >> Best >> Dario >> >> On May 10, 2012, at 10:57 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: >> >>> Hi Piotr, >>> >>> You might make the assumption that the difference between 4 million and 16 >>> million is largely editors who never get out of userspace, my experience is >>> that such users are relatively rare, or at least won't dominate that 12 >>> million. >>> >>> I'm fairly sure that there will be a number of different groups in that 12 >>> million. Steve Walling, Aaron or Maryana may be able to help analyse or at >>> least explain them. >>> >>> Significant groups in the 12 million will definitely include: >>> >>> 1 People who registered an account and tried but never successfully saved >>> an edit because when they looked they saw a wall of code and they don't do >>> html. The WMF is investing a lot of money in WYSIWYG editing software in >>> the hope that this will enable goodfaith but not very technical people to >>> edit Wikipedia. >>> >>> 2 Vandals since 2007. We have edit filters that are trying to dissuade >>> vandals from saving their first edit because it triggers one of our tests >>> for probably being vandalism. These filters only came in during the last >>> few years and have been improved over time - so they are deterring a >>> significant proportion of recent badfaith editors from ever saving an edit. >>> >>> 3 Visitors from other wikis. One of the features of Single User Login is >>> that if you are logged in and you click on a link that takes you to another >>> wikimedia wiki, your account becomes active at that wiki even if you never >>> go near the edit button. My account is active on 92 wikis and I've edited >>> in rather less than half of them. I won't go into all the reasons why one >>> might visit other wikis, but if you see that an article you've written has >>> equivalents in several other languages I consider it human nature to click >>> on the links and look at the article. Even if you don't use Google >>> translate, the choice of image and the size of the paragraphs is often >>> enough to tell you whether someone has translated your work or started >>> afresh. >>> >>> 4 Editors whose articles have been deleted. About a quarter of new editors >>> start by creating a new article rather than by editing existing articles. A >>> large majority of such articles get deleted and their authors depart. If >>> the 4 million is only measured on surviving edits to article space then >>> there will be many hundreds of thousands whose only article space edits >>> have been deleted. >>> >>> 5 Zombie accounts. We now have programs that prevent people opening >>> accounts that are overly similar to the names of existing editors, but >>> before these filters came in many editors would protect themselves from >>> such impersonation by creating such "zombie accounts" themselves and >>> marking their userpage with a link to their main account. >>> >>> 6 Edit conflicts. Breaking news stories attract editors like moths to >>> flames, our article on Sarah Palin peaked at 25 edits per minute at one >>> point during the day she became John McCain's running mate (I don't think >>> anyone logs the number of edit conflicts). If you are a newbie trying to >>> edit a trending article by using that edit button on the top of the page >>> then you are guaranteed to get frustrated and leave. The regulars have >>> learned that busy pages are best edited one section at a time, and on a >>> very busy page there simply isn't time to edit the whole page before a >>> section edit is saved. Of course that could be easily resolved by disabling >>> whole page editing on busy pages, but I'm not expecting that anytime soon. >>> >>> Another issue is that I believe that the 4 million are people who have one >>> undeleted edit to mainspace on the English Wikipedia since December 2004. >>> If so the 16 million may include those who haven't edited since December >>> 2004. >>> >>> I'm probably missing a few other variables, I'm afraid this is a complex >>> area, but I hope this gives you an idea of the problem. >>> >>> WSC >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10 May 2012 16:35, Piotr Konieczny <pio...@post.pl> wrote: >>> Thanks for the link. The figure 4,058,477 you cite (from >>> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm#editdistribution), as >>> you note, comes with the warning that "Only article edits are counted, not >>> edits on discussion pages, etc". I assume this is why the magic word >>> NUMBEROFUSERS at en Wikipedia returns 16,763,691 (numerous low activity >>> editors apparently make their few edits outside article mainspace). >>> >>> The breakdown I could live with, for a while, but the fact that this stat >>> covers only about a quarter of registered accounts is a problem. Is anybody >>> familiar with a way to achieve a breakdown of all named accounts with 1+ >>> edit (for English Wikipedia), no matter which namespace they edited? >>> Preferably with more flexible ranges than the ones in that table? >>> >>> In other words, the linked page provides "Distribution of article >>> [namespace] edits over registered editors", whereas I am interested in >>> "Distribution of [all] namespaces edits over registered editors". >>> -- >>> Piotr Konieczny >>> >>> "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on >>> one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Pilsudski >>> >>> On 5/10/2012 4:49 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm not sure that we have exactly what your asking for. >>>> >>>> For example we have the figure of 4,058,477 but that is for registered >>>> accounts on the English Wikipedia that have made at least one edit to an >>>> article. Different language versions of Wikipedia are also available, but >>>> of course registered accounts doesn't exactly tally with Wikipedians not >>>> least because IP editors are excluded. Also I believe that early edits - >>>> pre 2004 may not be available and I suspect that deleted edits may not be >>>> counted. >>>> >>>> That said we have further stats of 1,614,938 registered accounts with >= 3 >>>> article edits and 772,557 >=10 >>>> >>>> So http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm#editdistribution is >>>> well worth looking at, but they break at 32 and 100 not 50 which may be a >>>> problem for you. >>>> >>>> Hope that helps >>>> >>>> WSC >>>> >>>> On 9 May 2012 23:42, Piotr Konieczny <p...@pitt.edu> wrote: >>>> I was looking at official stats, but I seem to be unable to find out an >>>> answer to the following question: >>>> * how many of Wikipedia editors have X edits (or fall within a range of >>>> edits) >>>> To be more precise, I am curious how many Wikipedians have: >>>> * exactly 1 edit >>>> * between 2-9 edits >>>> * between 10-50 edits >>>> I know that the total number of registered accounts is reported at >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedians >>>> >>>> Can anybody direct me to the right page/counter that would allow me to >>>> obtain the above information? I hope it is obtainable without having to >>>> download the dump... >>>> >>>> Incidentally, if anybody has those numbers, in addition to replying here >>>> feel free to add the information and/or source the one present at >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedians >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Piotr Konieczny >>>> PhD Candidate >>>> Dept of Sociology >>>> Uni of Pittsburgh >>>> >>>> http://pittsburgh.academia.edu/PiotrKonieczny/ >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piotrus >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
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