2012/9/15 Kerry Raymond <[email protected]> > ** ** ** ** > > To establish a journal (of any kind), you need a:**** > > ** ** > > - Topic **** > - A community to read, write, review and do editorial duties in that > topic**** > - A business model to keep it afloat**** > - A set of processes that make it academically respectable (for the > folks who need this for grants, tenure etc)**** > > ** ...** > > ** ** > > In short, I think the hardest nut to crack is the business model (i.e. > money and people’s time). I think the other things can be worked out.**** > > > Thanks for your valuable tips Kerry.
About the business model, perhaps the journal can't survive by donations but by entities that receive donations. I'm talking about Wikimedia chapters. There are some powerfull chapters out there that may want to support this journal project providing human effort, resources and some money. I think that academics and wikipedians must work together, and this can be another way. Just an idea... > Kerry**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *emijrp > *Sent:* Saturday, 15 September 2012 7:12 PM > *To:* [email protected]; Research into Wikimedia content and communities; > Samuel Klein > *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-research-l] Open-Access journals for papers about > wikis**** > > ** ** > > The idea of creating a journal just for wikis is highly seductive for > me.The "pillars" might be: > > * peer-reviewed, but publish a list of rejected papers and the reviewers > comments > * open-access (CC-BY-SA) > * ask always for the datasets and offer them to download, the same for the > developed software used in the research > * encourage authors to publish early, publish often (as in free software) > * supported by donations > > And... we can open a wiki where those who want can write papers in a > collaborative and public way. You can start a new paper with colleagues or > ask for volunteers authors interested in joining to your idea. When authors > think that paper is finished and stable, they submit it to the journal and > it is peer-reviewed again and published or discarded and returned to the > wiki for improvements. > > Perhaps we may join efforts with the Wikimedia Research Newsletter? And > start a page in meta:? ; )**** > > 2012/9/15 Dariusz Jemielniak <[email protected]>**** > > hi,**** > > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Samuel Klein <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've been thinking recently that we should start this journal. There > isn't an obvious candidate, despite some of the amazing research that's > been done, and the extreme > > transparency that allows much deeper work to be done on wiki communities > in the future.**** > > I'll gladly help and support the idea. I think that just as Mathieu > pointed out, The Journal of Peer Production is a good candidate, since > it is already out there and running (even if low on the radar). > Otherwise, there can be of course a journal dedicated to wiki-related > work, it is quite easy to set it up (e.g. on Open Journal Systems > platform). The key is not setting up a journal, since this is an easy > part, but building a community that would regularly read it and > contribute. In this sense Wikipedia may be a good common ground.**** > > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Piotr Konieczny <[email protected]> wrote:** > ** > > > So what does it take to get a journal indexed in ISI?**** > > The procedure is quite lengthy and not entirely transparent. In short, > you request being reviewed and from issue X onwards they check how > often an average article from the journal is cited in other ISI > journals. If you go above the threshold, you're in. The problem is > that Thomson arbitrarily decides whether they want to audit a journal, > arbitrarily calculates what constitutes an "article" (yes, it is not > clear - some journals have editorials counted, some don't, in some > cases Thomson calculates the citations for non-articles, but does not > include the number of non-articles in the equation. Scientific, right? > ;) invited articles count... or not, research notes - same, etc.). Oh, > and also Thomson arbitrarily may or may not punish by banning you from > ISI for real or imaginary manipulations (such as inbreed citations - > some editors encourage citing other articles from the same journal, > since they count like any others from the ISI list). There's actually > a whole body of literature on journal rankings. Still, this is the > game we have to play. > > One key factor in getting ISI is a community to drive the journal - if > Wikipedia research community was widely willing to support one new > journal, received updates etc., it would likely get cited and go off > the ground (the case of "The Academy of Management Learning and > Education" - on the ISI 2 years after the first issue, if I remember > correctly). > > Btw, CSCW is on ISI list, but is not open access.**** > > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Aaron Halfaker > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Growing WikiSym into an open conference**** > > unfortunately, this does not help in some fields. For instance, in > management/organization studies conference papers don't count at all, > so actually there is a strong incentive not to go to a conference such > as WikiSym, since it results in wasting a paper you cannot really > publish in way that would count. European RAEs rely more and more > heavily on ISI and on ERIH rankings, so also non-ranked journals do > not count anymore. > > best, > > dariusz**** > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l**** > > > > > -- **** > > Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada. E-mail: emijrp AT gmail DOT com**** > > Pre-doctoral student at the **University** of **Cádiz** (****Spain****)*** > * > > Projects: AVBOT <http://code.google.com/p/avbot/> | > StatMediaWiki<http://statmediawiki.forja.rediris.es> > | WikiEvidens <http://code.google.com/p/wikievidens/> | > WikiPapers<http://wikipapers.referata.com> > | WikiTeam <http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/>**** > > Personal website: https://sites.google.com/site/emijrp/**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > -- Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada. E-mail: emijrp AT gmail DOT com Pre-doctoral student at the University of Cádiz (Spain) Projects: AVBOT <http://code.google.com/p/avbot/> | StatMediaWiki<http://statmediawiki.forja.rediris.es> | WikiEvidens <http://code.google.com/p/wikievidens/> | WikiPapers<http://wikipapers.referata.com> | WikiTeam <http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/> Personal website: https://sites.google.com/site/emijrp/
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