Hoi,
Obviously I know. My point is that when we talk about diversity, it is
because it was recognised as a problem ... When papers of 2011 are quoted
in 2015 when diversity is mentioned, it does not give us a clue if the
problem is as bad, worse or very much improved. Consequently it is very
much beside the point.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 15 February 2015 at 07:48, <koltzenb...@w4w.net> wrote:
> Hi GerardM,
>
> why not have a guess ;-)
>
> Claudia
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From:Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki-research-
> l...@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent:Sat, 14 Feb 2015 18:42:08 +0100
> Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] a cautious note on gender stats Re: Fwd:
> [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers
>
> > Hoi,
> > What year are we living ?
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
> > On 14 February 2015 at 17:24,
> > <koltzenb...@w4w.net> wrote:
> >
> > > my2cents re figures on percentages (... in a gender binary paradigm),
> > > well...
> > >
> > > I'd suggest to take into account User:Pundit's thoughtful
> considerations,
> > >
> > > author of: Jemielniak, Dariusz (2014), Common knowledge? An
> ethnography
> > > of Wikipedia, Stanford University Press, pp. 14-15
> > >
> > > Dariusz Jemielniak writes:
> > > "According to Wikipedia Editors Study, published in 2011, 91 percent of
> > > all Wikipedia editors are male ([reference to a study of 2011] This
> figure
> > > may not be accurate, since it is based on a voluntary online survey
> > > advertised to 31,699 registered users and resulting on 5,073 complete
> and
> > > valid responses [...] it is possible that male editors are more likely
> to
> > > respond than female editors. Similarly, a study of self-declarations of
> > > gender showing only 16 percent are female editors (Lam et al. 2011)
> may be
> > > distorted, since more females may choose not to reveal their gender in
> a
> > > community perceived as male dominated."
> > >
> > > additionally, asserting status and flaunting seniority (also described
> > > by Jemielniak at the end of the paragraph previous to the one quoted
> above)
> > > is generally perceived to be a commonly employed trick to resist any
> > > changes;
> > >
> > > and, last but not least, one might argue that the group perceived as
> > > "in power" might feel to find strongly unbalanced outcomes most
> rewarding,
> > > and hence might tend to publish them as widely as possible and not
> least
> > > quote from them persistently, too...
> > >
> > > any rebuttals from stats experts here?
> > >
> > > best,
> > > Claudia
> > > koltzenb...@w4w.net
> > > My GPG-Key-ID: DDD21523
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > From:Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>
> > > To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki-research-
> > > l...@lists.wikimedia.org>
> > > Sent:Sat, 14 Feb 2015 10:49:29 +0100
> > > Subject:[Wiki-research-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers
> > >
> > > > Forwarding here in case anyone has information
> > > > that could benefit Yana
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > From: Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>
> > > > Date: Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:44 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers
> > > > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways
> > > > to increase the participation of women within
> > > > Wikimedia projects." < gender...@lists.wikimedia.org>
> > > >
> > > > In 2013 the Dutch Wikimedia chapter hired an
> > > > external party to conduct a survey and the results
> > > > (translated to English) are here:
> > >
> https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Motivaction_report_translation_v02.pd
> > > f
> > > >
> > > > The study was split into two parts; one on the
> > > > contributors and one on the "users", aka readers.
> > > > Users were 50/50 male female (page 51),
> > > > contributors were 88% male, 6% female, and 6%
> > > > would not say (page 26)
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Yana Welinder
> > > > <y...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > What are some good studies of the gender of Wikipedia readers?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Yana
> > > > >
> > > > >
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