Exactly! However, I do think this example woman shows a Wikipedia gender bias towards men in that her husband's article has an image and hers doesn't
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:46 PM Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well here you get into a problem with data in the databases. Often the >> records for men are more fleshed out than for women. >> >> Here are two records in the RKD for male and female based on a US-based >> husband & wife duo never active in the Netherlands, but who were made >> popular (with articles on 4 or more language wikis) by a 2014 movie about >> them: >> https://rkd.nl/explore/artists/296853 >> https://rkd.nl/explore/artists/296851 >> >> The ULAN only has one record >> >> http://www.getty.edu/vow/ULANFullDisplay?find=&role=&nation=&subjectid=500333900 >> >> One could argue that there is not enough in any of these records to make >> a Wikidata entry, let alone a Wikipedia article in any language. So just >> having the record in the ULAN or the RKDartists will not help any >> language-pedia. The English Wikipedia includes of course articles for both, >> though they are not sourced to these databases at all. >> > > Which only shows that RKD/ULAN are not the basis for Wikipedia articles. > Your "example woman" has 13 references: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Keane > > But, the argument could be made that general coverage on the web is biased > towards men, and Wikipedia reflects that trend, if only for a lack of > sources. > > >> In comparison, here is a US male artist without any Wikipedia article, >> born the same year as Mrs. Keane, whose entry in the RKD is well fleshed >> out, because this person was active in Amsterdam >> https://rkd.nl/explore/artists/55977 >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Magnus Manske < >> magnusman...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> Well, a "local bias" would push the total coverage in a certain >>> language, as evidences by high nl.wp coverage for RKD but not for ULAN. But >>> how would that affect the gender bias? No matter how popular RKDartists are >>> on a Wikipedia, unbiased coverage should always put them on the line in my >>> plots. However, only the almost-complete Wikipedias come near that line. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:27 AM Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Magnus, >>>> That is very cool! I also noticed the same trend, which indeed does at >>>> first glance appear to be a male bias in the language wikis. However, >>>> drilling down into the actual data it's really not so bad. What you >>>> actually see is a strong bias from the ULAN for artists who have been >>>> active in the US for whatever reason (artworks in US museum, exhibition, or >>>> public art). The RKD has a similar strong bias for artists who have been >>>> active in the Northern & Southern Netherlands and adjoining countries (nl, >>>> fr + de). We should offset this by looking at other databases, and also >>>> looking at the same cross-wiki data for all biographies with >>>> occupation=artist. >>>> >>>> Jane >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Magnus Manske < >>>> magnusman...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=278 >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I am compiling some stats regarding the work done on the Art & >>>>>> Feminism edit-a-thons for my local chapter and while checking the state >>>>>> of >>>>>> the wikis regarding female artists I noticed that there are huge local >>>>>> differences per language wiki regarding "who is notable". One of the >>>>>> things >>>>>> I love about Mix-and-Match is the way you can easily check the sitelinks >>>>>> per wiki. You can also download the data with autolist to see which >>>>>> biographies are popular across different languages. I noticed that in the >>>>>> case of women this seems to be way different than for men. Women artists >>>>>> are more likely to be notable in one or two languages only, possibly >>>>>> because they travel less, making their art known more locally than >>>>>> otherwise - who knows? >>>>>> >>>>>> In any case, here is something to chew on: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Women_vs_Men_per_external_db_using_Mix-n-Match.jpg >>>>>> >>>>>> I wish we had more databases from more countries that only contain >>>>>> artists that we could load into Mix-and-Match! >>>>>> >>>>>> Jane >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>>>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >
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