oooo nice! On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Updated blog with ODNB (49,419 men, 5,581 women) plot. > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:31 PM Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes you have a point there, and it is this "systemic interweb gender >> bias" which is interesting. Due to our need for "reliable sources" to solve >> gendergap issues, it would be nice to be able to expose these "interweb" >> imbalances with graphs like yours for all databases. What does the ODNB >> look like? That one is completely matched now. I measured 10% women over >> all. >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Magnus Manske < >> magnusman...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> Google image search for properly licensed images didn't give me an image >>> of her, neither did Commons. Maybe I just overlooked it, but maybe there is >>> no image of her in the article because there is no free image of her? In >>> that case, it would not be bias of Wikipedia, but again bias of the >>> interwebs. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:07 PM Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Exactly! However, I do think this example woman shows a Wikipedia >>>> gender bias towards men in that her husband's article has an image and hers >>>> doesn't >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Magnus Manske < >>>> magnusman...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:46 PM Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well here you get into a problem with data in the databases. Often >>>>>> the records for men are more fleshed out than for women. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here are two records in the RKD for male and female based on a >>>>>> US-based husband & wife duo never active in the Netherlands, but who were >>>>>> made popular (with articles on 4 or more language wikis) by a 2014 movie >>>>>> about them: >>>>>> https://rkd.nl/explore/artists/296853 >>>>>> https://rkd.nl/explore/artists/296851 >>>>>> >>>>>> The ULAN only has one record >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.getty.edu/vow/ULANFullDisplay?find=&role=&nation=&subjectid=500333900 >>>>>> >>>>>> One could argue that there is not enough in any of these records to >>>>>> make a Wikidata entry, let alone a Wikipedia article in any language. So >>>>>> just having the record in the ULAN or the RKDartists will not help any >>>>>> language-pedia. The English Wikipedia includes of course articles for >>>>>> both, >>>>>> though they are not sourced to these databases at all. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Which only shows that RKD/ULAN are not the basis for Wikipedia >>>>> articles. Your "example woman" has 13 references: >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Keane >>>>> >>>>> But, the argument could be made that general coverage on the web is >>>>> biased towards men, and Wikipedia reflects that trend, if only for a lack >>>>> of sources. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> In comparison, here is a US male artist without any Wikipedia >>>>>> article, born the same year as Mrs. Keane, whose entry in the RKD is well >>>>>> fleshed out, because this person was active in Amsterdam >>>>>> https://rkd.nl/explore/artists/55977 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Magnus Manske < >>>>>> magnusman...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, a "local bias" would push the total coverage in a certain >>>>>>> language, as evidences by high nl.wp coverage for RKD but not for ULAN. >>>>>>> But >>>>>>> how would that affect the gender bias? No matter how popular RKDartists >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> on a Wikipedia, unbiased coverage should always put them on the line in >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> plots. However, only the almost-complete Wikipedias come near that line. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:27 AM Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Magnus, >>>>>>>> That is very cool! I also noticed the same trend, which indeed does >>>>>>>> at first glance appear to be a male bias in the language wikis. >>>>>>>> However, >>>>>>>> drilling down into the actual data it's really not so bad. What you >>>>>>>> actually see is a strong bias from the ULAN for artists who have been >>>>>>>> active in the US for whatever reason (artworks in US museum, >>>>>>>> exhibition, or >>>>>>>> public art). The RKD has a similar strong bias for artists who have >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> active in the Northern & Southern Netherlands and adjoining countries >>>>>>>> (nl, >>>>>>>> fr + de). We should offset this by looking at other databases, and also >>>>>>>> looking at the same cross-wiki data for all biographies with >>>>>>>> occupation=artist. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jane >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Magnus Manske < >>>>>>>> magnusman...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=278 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> I am compiling some stats regarding the work done on the Art & >>>>>>>>>> Feminism edit-a-thons for my local chapter and while checking the >>>>>>>>>> state of >>>>>>>>>> the wikis regarding female artists I noticed that there are huge >>>>>>>>>> local >>>>>>>>>> differences per language wiki regarding "who is notable". One of the >>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>> I love about Mix-and-Match is the way you can easily check the >>>>>>>>>> sitelinks >>>>>>>>>> per wiki. You can also download the data with autolist to see which >>>>>>>>>> biographies are popular across different languages. I noticed that >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> case of women this seems to be way different than for men. Women >>>>>>>>>> artists >>>>>>>>>> are more likely to be notable in one or two languages only, possibly >>>>>>>>>> because they travel less, making their art known more locally than >>>>>>>>>> otherwise - who knows? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In any case, here is something to chew on: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Women_vs_Men_per_external_db_using_Mix-n-Match.jpg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wish we had more databases from more countries that only >>>>>>>>>> contain artists that we could load into Mix-and-Match! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jane >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>>>>>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>>>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >
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