I thought that someone was already working on CAPTCHA improvents, but I can't remember who, and I haven't heard anything recently which makes me wonder if this was de-prioritized.
J-mo, do you happen to know the status of the CAPTCHA work is, and who, if anyone, is active on that project? Pine On Aug 16, 2015 10:41 PM, "WereSpielChequers" <werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Kerry, > > there is an experiment going on that randomly opts half if new users into > V/E and leaves half using the classic editor. That should account for why > one of your newbies had been opted in but not the other. > > Captcha when adding citations is a longstanding problem, we need Captcha > on account creation to keep the spam bots at bay, but somehow it also > applies to newbies adding external links as cites, so we have a software > feature that doesn't effect the vandals but instead targets the best of our > newbies. My suspicion is that if we could work out when that was introduced > and then compare it to subsequent recruitment and retention we would find > that this was one of the most damaging mistakes we've made. > > > > Regards > > Jonathan > > > On 17 Aug 2015, at 04:56, Kerry Raymond <kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I ran my first training session using the Visual Editor this morning and > hit what appeared to be a show-shopping bug. It appeared that the two new > users (thankfully I had only 2) could not create a citation. They found > themselves in an infinite loop of Save Page with Capcha when they tried to > create a citation. > > > > By the end of the session, I managed to refine the bug to a combination of > “new user”, “new article” (although created by me, not the new users), and > citations involving a live URL, duly reported at > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback#New_users_unable_to_create_citation_with_a_live_external_link_in_it > > > > Ironically it first happened on their newly created User Pages where we > were practising our new Wikipedia skills because tackling “real articles”. > Then on the “real articles” I had created earlier for them to use (a > training approach that has the benefit of not unleashing a horde of angry > watchlisters when they make some silly mistake, which occurs if you let new > people make their early edits on “popular articles”). (Spot the pattern, > both were new articles!). > > > > Now if this had happened to a new user sitting at home, they would have > been stymied. Because I was there to hold their hands in a training > setting, I found a way around the problem by logging them in as me and we > continued the training session on that basis (but not an option to the user > sitting at home frustratingly typing in Capcha responses until they got > frustrated and walked away). > > > > So, Aaron, it may be that your research on the impact of the VE was > impacted by this bug. I imagine that users affected would have eventually > aborted the edit as they were unable to save, unless by chance they were > able to realise that the problem was caused by their citation and either > removed the citation and just saved the text changes. It’s hard to say what > the likelihood of a new user being affected is, as the problem seemed to > relate to the age of the article (I am autopatrolled so I don’t think the > new articles would have any “might be dodgy” status flags on them, but I am > not familiar with how that side of things works). > > > > Also, is this experiment (or one similar) currently running? It’s just > that when we went into the Preferences of the two new user accounts to > enable the VE, one of them already had it enabled (yet I had seen both new > user accounts created in front of me a couple of minutes earlier), so there > was no possibility that this was anything other than a default setting for > one of the two users. I thought enabling the VE was normally strictly > opt-in? > > > > Kerry > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >
_______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
