Maarten, thanks for that clarification! Gerard, I totally agree with you. Personally I was hoping for a way to use WikiData to find Commons images that was *not* through the gallery/category structures as we know them, for all the reasons Gerard has mentioned (in this and previous mails).
Now that I think about it, if you want to create a relationship where Wiki Commons is a client of WikiData, then I think this should be done for galleries only, not categories. Galleries can be easily split and/or merged, reside in more than one category, and offer a "best" selection of images of the subject, as well as offering a link to more images on Commons by clicking through to categories. Jane 2013/8/13, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > Hoi, > > As far as I am concerned, the categories used for images are not really > helpful , While there are many images about Kiribati, you find only a few > in the category by that name. The rest can be found in subcategories. > > In the proposal for Commons there is a provision for tags. These tags can > be populated to some extend by the categories they are in. > > The reason to have categories is because they are intended to help find > images. Without them and without tags we would not have Commons as a > functioning entity. However, the way they work with all these subcategories > and stuff prevent many people including myself to use Commons as the source > of images when I need them. > > So yes, having categories are good in a half arsed way but we should get > rid of them as we can have something better. > > One other big advantage of tags is that they are typically single concepts > that have typically have translations either in the labels in Wikidata or > in Wiktionary. This allows us to make Commons a truly multi-lingual > resource. > Thanks, > GerardM > > > On 10 August 2013 06:19, Maarten Dammers <maar...@mdammers.nl> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> At Wikimania we had several discussions about the future of Wikidata and >> Commons. Some broader feedback would be nice. >> Now we have a property "Commons category" (https://www.wikidata.org/** >> wiki/Property:P373 <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P373>). This >> is a string and an intermediate solution. >> In the long run Commons should probably be a wikibase instance in it's >> own >> right (structured metadata stored at Commons) integrated with >> Wikidata.org, >> see >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Wikidata:Wikimedia_Commons<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikimedia_Commons>for >> more info. >> In the meantime we should make Commons a wikidata client like Wikipedia >> and Wikivoyage. How would that work? >> >> We have an item >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q9920<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9920>for >> the city Haarlem. It links to the Wikipedia article "Haarlem" and the >> Wikivoyage article "Haarlem". It should link to the Commons gallery >> "Haarlem" >> (https://commons.wikimedia.**org/wiki/Haarlem<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Haarlem> >> ) >> >> We have an item >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q7427769<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7427769>for >> the category Haarlem. It links to the Wikipedia category "Haarlem". It >> should link to the Commons category "Haarlem" >> (https://commons.wikimedia.* >> *org/wiki/Category:Haarlem<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Haarlem> >> ). >> >> The category item (Q7427769) links to article item (Q9920) using the >> property "main category topic" (https://www.wikidata.org/** >> wiki/Property:P301 <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P301>). >> We would need to make an inverse property of P301 to make the backlink. >> >> Some reasons why this is helpful: >> * Wikidata takes care of a lot of things like page moves, deletions, etc. >> Now with P373 (Commons category) it's all manual >> * Having Wikidata on Commons means that you can automatically get >> backlinks to Wikipedia, have intro's for category, etc etc >> * It's a step in the right direction. It makes it easier to do next steps >> >> Small change, lot's of benefits! >> >> Maarten >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l> >> > _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
