Time available and priorities of the devteam is something entirely different :)
Just to add a thought and be complete, I must add that we focused the discussion on bots, but that's missing that there is not only bots but also manual and semi automated work (with magnus' tools typically) involved : removing a statement can trigger a constraint on symmetry, that another will resolve by re-adding the statement you just removed. This might trigger community issue as well. 2015-09-29 17:01 GMT+02:00 Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de>: > Am 29.09.2015 um 11:05 schrieb Thomas Douillard: > > No it's not, because of the "undoing" problem. A user can't delete a > statement > > assuming this will be enough as he will not be explicit that the > statement is > > bot added and implied by other statements, as opposed as a statement > explicitely > > inferred by Wikibase and marked explicitely as such in the UI. If > Wikibase > > tracks the root explicit statements used to make the inference, they > could be > > exposed in the UI as well to tell the user what he might have to do to > correct > > the mistake (closer to or) at the actual root. > > I agree: if we had built in inference done Just Right (tm), with everything > editable and visible in all the right places, that would be great. But this > would add a lot of complexity to the system, and would take a lot of > resources > to implement. It would also diverge quite a bit from the classic idea of a > wiki, > potentially cause community issues. > > The approach using bots was never ideal, but is still hugely successful on > wikipedia. The same seems to be the case here. Also don't underestimate > the fact > that the community has a lot of experience with bots, but is generally very > skeptical against automatic content (even just including information from > wikidata on wikipedia pages). > > So, while bots are not ideal, and a better solution is conceivable, I > think bots > as the optimal solution for the moment. We should not ignore the issues > that > exist with bots, and we should not lose sight of other options. But I > think we > should focus development on more urgent things, like a better system for > source > references, or unit conversion, or better tools for constraints, or for > re-use > on wikipedia. > > > -- > Daniel Kinzler > Senior Software Developer > > Wikimedia Deutschland > Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >
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