Not smellin' any poop Leigh... but thanks.
On Nov 4, 4:41 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, BTW.. I hope you're not thinking I am poo pooing the K12 project! Not at
> all! In fact I have already forwarded the story onto a number of people. I
> especially like the fact that it is more student generated. Just checking
> that you aren't relating my highlight of a particular way of describing the
> Wikieducator mission as some how being a criticism of K12 project. Not at
> all. Its just me being greedy and dominating the thread with other issues -
> sorry
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Leigh Blackall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Peter,
>
> > You said:
>
> >> I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an
> >> international set
> >> of educators together to create a free curriculum
>
> > Now I'm worried (though I'm relieved you dance :) "a free curriculum",
> > surely a slip of the tongue Peter?
>
> > The Internet is bringing (not just) educators together. I worry about
> > "educators" who feel they need something like Wikieducator to bring them
> > together, or that Wikieducator is the thing that is doing what the Internet
> > has been doing all along.
>
> > An answer to your challenge Peter: *The Internet* (international network)
> > is the platform (that includes Wikieducator) that is bringing an
> > international set of educators together to offer up and develop free
> > curricula. The other great thing about that is that the wall between
> > learning and life is breaking down.
>
> > I am trying to look at Wikieducator as one of many "tools" or services
> > available to me for publishing media and information, and connect with like
> > minded people and networks. It is a small piece loosely
> > joined<http://www.smallpieces.com/>.
> > Trouble is it takes up far more of my time than the other free tools,
> > because of its demands around community, collaboration, governance, and its
> > tendency to centralise our efforts and not allow easy embedding and
> > distribution. As a wiki tool it has very useful features (such as
> > print-to-pdf), and a number of annoying ones such as not offering an easy
> > way to backup my work.
>
> > My OER work (along with millions of other "educators") is distributed
> > across the Internet, and as a result is networked and relavent. Wordpress,
> > Blogger, Youtube, Blip.tv, GoogleDocs, Archive.org, Wikispaces, Wikipedia,
> > Wikiversity, Flickr, Picasa Web Galleries, and various other minor sites. It
> > is the Internet that brings us OER, and I'm trying to remind you/us of that
> > - less we fall into a trap of becoming over reliant on Wikieducator, too
> > caught up in its rhetoric, and end up centralising and locking ourselves in.
> > Do you feel the lock in? I do.. time to dance and shake it off a bit.
>
> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Leigh,
>
> >> With all due respect, Not that I disagree with what you are saying its
> >> just that I think you need a new pair of glasses. You seem to be
> >> reading a lot into things and being overly pessimistic about good
> >> works. In the big navel gazing world we live in, it is good people are
> >> putting efforts into projects like WE. We may not have it right in
> >> some peoples views, but at least we are engaged and I challenge you to
> >> point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set
> >> of educators together to create a free curriculum (with a good set of
> >> the tools and a vision for it to be localized). And through time, I
> >> hope we end up where things have become flatter and flatter.
>
> >> "Be the change you want to see in the world" - Mahatma
>
> >> I'm gettin' worried about you Leigh.
> >> Watch me dance if you want some playful distraction;
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQz51pH5cpw
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nlxrJ16cMY
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lakvIXEH2iU
>
> >> In one of our dances we were jamin' with a didgeridoo
>
> >> Be Well...
>
> >> Peter
>
> >> On Nov 4, 2:46 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Hi Peter, I really like the spin on the wording that that journo has
> >> done:
>
> >> > WikiEducator looks like Wikipedia. In fact, it uses the same software.
> >> And,
>
> >> > > like the online encyclopedia, its mission is ambitious. It seeks to
> >> put all
> >> > > the world's educational materials online and make them freely
> >> available to
> >> > > everyone on the planet by the year 2015.
>
> >> > We shoudl copy that and replace all "one curriculum" sounding lines
> >> straight
> >> > away.
>
> >> > Only trouble is, that "ambitious" mission is already happening.
> >> Everything
> >> > is going online, huge amounts of it freely (in terms of copyright), just
> >> not
> >> > all of it is being centralised on Wikieducator.
>
> >> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Randy Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > Hi Nellie,
>
> >> > > Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea....
>
> >> > > What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who
> >> > > decided....maybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and
> >> > > collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme....
>
> >> > > This could be accomplished in several days....just as a conference
> >> runs in
> >> > > terms of time....
>
> >> > > Thoughts, ideas?
>
> >> > > - Randy
>
> >> > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH <
> >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> > >> Peter,
> >> > >> This is a wiki. You are more than welcome to anything that my
> >> students and
> >> > >> I have added. You may add to it and place it or replace it, add to
> >> it, and
> >> > >> place it where you think it would be appropriate. I would love for
> >> someone
> >> > >> to finally play around with the wiki pages like they would with
> >> modeling
> >> > >> clay.
> >> > >> Warm wishes,
> >> > >> Nellie Deutsch
> >> > >> Doctoral Student
> >> > >> Educational Leadership
> >> > >> Curriculum and Instruction
> >> > >>http://www.nelliemuller.com
> >> > >>http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd
> >> > >>http://www.building-relationship.com/education
> >> > >>http://blendedlear.ning.com
> >> > >>http://connecting-online.ning.com
>
> >> > >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> > >>> Thanks Nellie,
>
> >> > >>> I look forward to the review of this project early next summer to
> >> see
> >> > >>> how we did in relation to what we have aspired to do... So far it
> >> has
> >> > >>> been exceeding my expectations. I certianly hope we can meet our
> >> > >>> definition of success;
>
> >>http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/IPS_Statement_of_Work#What_...
>
> >> > >>> Could I encourage you to add your project to the student generated
> >> > >>> content portal?
>
> >>http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac...
>
> >> > >>> Peter
>
> >> > >>> On Nov 4, 1:51 pm, "NELLIE DEUTSCH" <
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >>> wrote:
> >> > >>> > Peter,
> >> > >>> > The news item is very impressive. 64 of grade 12 students students
> >> are
> >> > >>> > interested in collaborating with students from other countries. So
> >> far,
> >> > >>> I
> >> > >>> > managed to find a school in Washington, DC for 32 of my grade 11
> >> > >>> students. I
> >> > >>> > would like to see a lot more high school kids on WE.
> >> > >>> > Warm wishes,
> >> > >>> > Nellie Deutsch
> >> > >>> > Doctoral Student
> >> > >>> > Educational Leadership
> >> > >>> > Curriculum and Instructionhttp://www.nelliemuller.comhttp://
>
> >>www.integrating-technology.com/pdhttp://www.building-relationship.com...
>
> >> > >>> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > >>> > > Hello All,
>
> >> > >>> > > The K12 project I have been working on got some unexpected media
> >> > >>> > > exposure... puts WE into some good light.
>
> >>http://www.canada.com/northshorenews/story.html?id=bfe6fdde-f3c8-4994...
>
> >> > >>> > > I know I'm not alone in this effort (Nellie, Gunther, Others).
> >> So I
> >> > >>> > > was thinking for all those others encouraging student generated
> >> K12
> >> > >>> > > content they should add thier projects to the very new (and
> >> under-
> >> > >>> > > developed) portal...
>
> >>http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac...
>
> >> > >>> > > Cheers, Peter- Hide quoted text -
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> >> > >>> > - Show quoted text -
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>
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> >> > >http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media
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>
> >> > > * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube:
> >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY
>
> >> > > * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki?http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki
>
> >> > > Skype: wikirandy
>
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> >> >+64(0)21736539
> >> > skype - leigh_blackall
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