Leo, thanks for joining in, it is very nice to hear from you! Its been quite a while. Peter, you can see my wife and I dance the wiki jig<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AArrfX9jrlw>that Randy started, and most recently, here I go <http://flickr.com/photos/leighblackall/3004204811/> over the weekend in the mountains. Embarrassing!
How would we develop a more networked approach? Here's a big hot air balloon to spit ball... 1. We would tone down (turn off) the Wikieducator talk, and talk up the projects on Wikieducator. 2. Make more of Steve and Miinhaaj's monthly User award. Do Randy's suggestion of "Project of the Month". Set up a Wikieducator blog and assign guest writers. Hold monthly webconferences to hear from the people behind the Project of the Month. 3. Stop using rhetoric and competitive data about building a Wikieducator community or family and spend energy promoting and celebrating the projects and the individuals behind them. 4. Discourage celebrity and singular voices that speak as though on behalf of Wikieducator - such voices should be almost impossible to find. 5. Who founded Wikieducator, or what international agency gives money is not as significant (merely historical) when compared to the significance of the projects and individual efforts on the platform. 6. The people who keep Wikieducator ticking over should be seen to be anonymous, humble and serving the wishes of the Users and not the desires for some sort of governance policy or complex agenda. Admin should NEVER be seen to be defensive (or have others defend on their behalf) and certainly never argue with the Users or require anything from them other than feedback. Turn off LQT or implement the suggestions immediately, unless the User's it was apparently installed for speak up. And above all, admin people should never have an agenda other than to serve the wishes of each and every User as though they were highly valued paying customers 7. We should develop a MediaWiki that is contemporary Internet (like Chris Harvey's SuperUser, Brian Lamb's embed a wiki, and Tony Hurst mashup. 8. Add obviously good extensions like widgets and embedded media and work hard at 2 way mashup data, improved support for RSS, streamlined media cross uploads, use Archive.org, Blip.tv and any other media service that supports Creative Commons licensing) 9. Either become Wikiversity, or distance Wikieducator radically from the Wikimedia Foundation model. An educational wiki is very different to an encyclopedia or any other reference project. (I propose a very Web2 MediaWiki and minimal government as a point of difference) 10. And just to round it off to 10, encourage truely shared ownership, by supporting and encouraging individuals to run their own fundraising campaigns to develop projects that improve Wikieducator. So make it possible for people to set up a development version On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Leigh, > > I guess we are in non-violent agreement then... ahhhhh so were back to > the collaborative networky thing... so what does it take to build a > node on the network? Is WE just going through the "standard" lifecycle > of becoming a node? > > Now, I want to see you dance! > > Peter > > On Nov 4, 4:36 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > > > You said: > > > > > I challenge you to point me to something better than WE in bringing an > > > international set > > > of educators together to create a free curriculum > > > > Now I'm worried (though I'm relieved you dance :) "a free curriculum", > > surely a slip of the tongue Peter? > > > > The Internet is bringing (not just) educators together. I worry about > > "educators" who feel they need something like Wikieducator to bring them > > together, or that Wikieducator is the thing that is doing what the > Internet > > has been doing all along. > > > > An answer to your challenge Peter: *The Internet* (international network) > is > > the platform (that includes Wikieducator) that is bringing an > international > > set of educators together to offer up and develop free curricula. The > other > > great thing about that is that the wall between learning and life is > > breaking down. > > > > I am trying to look at Wikieducator as one of many "tools" or services > > available to me for publishing media and information, and connect with > like > > minded people and networks. It is a small piece loosely > > joined<http://www.smallpieces.com/>. > > Trouble is it takes up far more of my time than the other free tools, > > because of its demands around community, collaboration, governance, and > its > > tendency to centralise our efforts and not allow easy embedding and > > distribution. As a wiki tool it has very useful features (such as > > print-to-pdf), and a number of annoying ones such as not offering an easy > > way to backup my work. > > > > My OER work (along with millions of other "educators") is distributed > across > > the Internet, and as a result is networked and relavent. Wordpress, > Blogger, > > Youtube, Blip.tv, GoogleDocs, Archive.org, Wikispaces, Wikipedia, > > Wikiversity, Flickr, Picasa Web Galleries, and various other minor sites. > It > > is the Internet that brings us OER, and I'm trying to remind you/us of > that > > - less we fall into a trap of becoming over reliant on Wikieducator, too > > caught up in its rhetoric, and end up centralising and locking ourselves > in. > > Do you feel the lock in? I do.. time to dance and shake it off a bit. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Leigh, > > > > > With all due respect, Not that I disagree with what you are saying its > > > just that I think you need a new pair of glasses. You seem to be > > > reading a lot into things and being overly pessimistic about good > > > works. In the big navel gazing world we live in, it is good people are > > > putting efforts into projects like WE. We may not have it right in > > > some peoples views, but at least we are engaged and I challenge you to > > > point me to something better than WE in bringing an international set > > > of educators together to create a free curriculum (with a good set of > > > the tools and a vision for it to be localized). And through time, I > > > hope we end up where things have become flatter and flatter. > > > > > "Be the change you want to see in the world" - Mahatma > > > > > I'm gettin' worried about you Leigh. > > > Watch me dance if you want some playful distraction; > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQz51pH5cpw > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nlxrJ16cMY > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lakvIXEH2iU > > > > > In one of our dances we were jamin' with a didgeridoo > > > > > Be Well... > > > > > Peter > > > > > On Nov 4, 2:46 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi Peter, I really like the spin on the wording that that journo has > > > done: > > > > > > WikiEducator looks like Wikipedia. In fact, it uses the same > software. > > > And, > > > > > > > like the online encyclopedia, its mission is ambitious. It seeks to > put > > > all > > > > > the world's educational materials online and make them freely > available > > > to > > > > > everyone on the planet by the year 2015. > > > > > > We shoudl copy that and replace all "one curriculum" sounding lines > > > straight > > > > away. > > > > > > Only trouble is, that "ambitious" mission is already happening. > > > Everything > > > > is going online, huge amounts of it freely (in terms of copyright), > just > > > not > > > > all of it is being centralised on Wikieducator. > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Randy Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Nellie, > > > > > > > Perhaps in your comment below, there are the seeds of an idea.... > > > > > > > What if, at some point, there were a cluster of WikiEducators - who > > > > > decided....maybe in a conference setting - to work as a group, and > > > > > collaborate on a group of pages, on a given topic, or theme.... > > > > > > > This could be accomplished in several days....just as a conference > runs > > > in > > > > > terms of time.... > > > > > > > Thoughts, ideas? > > > > > > > - Randy > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, NELLIE DEUTSCH < > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >> Peter, > > > > >> This is a wiki. You are more than welcome to anything that my > students > > > and > > > > >> I have added. You may add to it and place it or replace it, add to > it, > > > and > > > > >> place it where you think it would be appropriate. I would love for > > > someone > > > > >> to finally play around with the wiki pages like they would with > > > modeling > > > > >> clay. > > > > >> Warm wishes, > > > > >> Nellie Deutsch > > > > >> Doctoral Student > > > > >> Educational Leadership > > > > >> Curriculum and Instruction > > > > >>http://www.nelliemuller.com > > > > >>http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd > > > > >>http://www.building-relationship.com/education > > > > >>http://blendedlear.ning.com > > > > >>http://connecting-online.ning.com > > > > > > >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > >>> Thanks Nellie, > > > > > > >>> I look forward to the review of this project early next summer to > see > > > > >>> how we did in relation to what we have aspired to do... So far it > has > > > > >>> been exceeding my expectations. I certianly hope we can meet our > > > > >>> definition of success; > > > > >http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/IPS_Statement_of_Work#What_. > .. > > > > > > >>> Could I encourage you to add your project to the student > generated > > > > >>> content portal? > > > > >http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac. > .. > > > > > > >>> Peter > > > > > > >>> On Nov 4, 1:51 pm, "NELLIE DEUTSCH" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > Peter, > > > > >>> > The news item is very impressive. 64 of grade 12 students > students > > > are > > > > >>> > interested in collaborating with students from other countries. > So > > > far, > > > > >>> I > > > > >>> > managed to find a school in Washington, DC for 32 of my grade > 11 > > > > >>> students. I > > > > >>> > would like to see a lot more high school kids on WE. > > > > >>> > Warm wishes, > > > > >>> > Nellie Deutsch > > > > >>> > Doctoral Student > > > > >>> > Educational Leadership > > > > >>> > Curriculum and Instructionhttp://www.nelliemuller.comhttp:// > > > > >www.integrating-technology.com/pdhttp://www.building-relationship.com. > .. > > > > > > >>> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > Hello All, > > > > > > >>> > > The K12 project I have been working on got some unexpected > media > > > > >>> > > exposure... puts WE into some good light. > > > > >http://www.canada.com/northshorenews/story.html?id=bfe6fdde-f3c8-4994. > .. > > > > > > >>> > > I know I'm not alone in this effort (Nellie, Gunther, > Others). So > > > I > > > > >>> > > was thinking for all those others encouraging student > generated > > > K12 > > > > >>> > > content they should add thier projects to the very new (and > > > under- > > > > >>> > > developed) portal... > > > > >http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Student_Generated_Content#Ac. > .. > > > > > > >>> > > Cheers, Peter- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >>> > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ________________ > > > > > Randy Fisher - Change Management & Collaboration, Human Performance > & > > > > > Engagement, Sustainable Communities & Organizations > > > > > > > * Engaging People in Teams, Communities and Organizations....and > > > > > WikiEducator! > > > > > > >+ 1 604.684.2275 > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >http://www.wikieducator.org > > > > >http://www.wikieducator.org/Community_Media > > > > >http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher > > > > > > > * Cool WikiEducator Video on YouTube: > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9-CNlIqsY > > > > > > > * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki?http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki > > > > > > > Skype: wikirandy > > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > Leigh Blackall > > > >+64(0)21736539 > > > > skype - leigh_blackall > > > > SL - Leroy Goalposthttp://learnonline.wordpress.comhttp:// > > >www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall-Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > -- > > Leigh Blackall+64(0)21736539 > > skype - leigh_blackall > > SL - Leroy Goalposthttp://learnonline.wordpress.comhttp:// > www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall > > > -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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