Not going to put this on-wiki, but... I may have a back channel to Verizon abuse people via the spam fighter community.
I am peripherally aware of the details here, but I'm not the right person to talk to Verizon about them. If I can get a contact, who should I point them at for the detailed conversation including names, addresses, edit histories, etc? Thanks. -george On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoeks...@gmail.com > wrote: > On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 4:45 AM, Christopher Grant > <chrisgrantm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > X! you missed out adminbots(e.g. Miza's). > > > > - Chris > > > > On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:03 PM, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> 2008/12/26 John Reaves <johnreave...@gmail.com>: > >> > >> > So it comes down to whether or not we care more about a positive PR > image > >> or > >> > being able to maintain an encyclopedia without disruption and > harassment > >> > from one of the biggest idiots we've ever had? I know what my choice > >> would > >> > be... > >> > >> > >> I'm describing how this has been done in the past and why. PR isn't > >> the reason, it's a consideration. > >> > >> I predict that such an ISP-wide block as we're describing here would > >> go block, unblock, block, unblock x10, stop at unblock, arbitration, > >> trout slaps and desysops all round for idiot blocking and wheel > >> warring. Though it might shake loose the lower decile of admins. > >> (That's an unintended side benefit, not a reason to do it either.) > >> > >> The reason the wheel of fat would stop at "unblock" is that the secret > >> of blocks on Wikipedia is: they're just minor speed humps; you can't > >> keep someone from editing if they *really* want to without shutting > >> down the wiki. That's what "soft security" means and that's why we use > >> it. Would your average reader or even editor know who the hell Grawp > >> is in this context? No, they wouldn't. (They wouldn't because quite a > >> few people work hard to make it that way, but nevertheless.) > >> > >> There's no point disrupting editing for large chunks of Verizon > >> because this would just cause Grawp to go elsewhere. We're talking > >> about someone who's clearly pathologically dedicated to this task. > >> > >> There is no cure for vandalism on Wikipedia while humans are humans. > >> > >> > >> - d. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WikiEN-l mailing list > >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > WikiEN-l mailing list > > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > > > I requested feedback on [[Wikipedia:Administrators' > noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement]] with > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FArbitration_enforcement&diff=260192750&oldid=260186203 > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
