On 12/23/11 7:27 AM, Charles Matthews wrote:
> On 22 December 2011 18:10, Ken Arromdee<arrom...@rahul.net>  wrote:
>
>> And the more you use "it's in the
>> rules" as a club to hit bad users with, the more others can use it as a
>> club to force bad ideas through; there's just no defense to "what I want
>> follows the rules".

Given the jungle of Wiki rules there is likely a rule somewhere that 
says the opposite. Tracking it down is the stuff of lawyers, or at least 
can waste a lot of time.  Rules work well when it's truly a question of 
bad users. For others they generate chaos.

>> You see this all the time for BLPs: "Don't you have any empathy?
>> We're hurting a real person."  "You're just trying to distract us from this
>> rule.  Your own personal feelings aren't an excuse to ignore our
>> policies..."

Just like Assange was hurting real people with Wikileaks.

> We have IAR, and "slavishness" might be called IIAR, so it should be
> ignored as a guideline (IIIAR should trump IIAR). This could all get silly
> but according to some logical stuff, that has been known since about 1920,
>   I^4AR is probably no different from I^2AR.

A convergent or divergent series?
> In other words, if the writ of "ignore all rules" no longer runs because
> the community thinks of it as too retro, there can still be some
> meta-principle about not following the wrong path just because rules
> indicate it. "Rule-bound" is like "muscle-bound", a pejorative, and rightly
> so.

Follow the Tao of Wiki.
> BLPs are of course an obvious place where it may be hardest to argue that
> rules should be ignored.
BLPs need to be treated as the exception to the general rule.

Ec

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