On 15 April 2013 16:49, Fred Bauder <fredb...@fairpoint.net> wrote:

> When we had a manager, Larry Sanger, he was both unconscious of and
> unable to deal with the natural dynamics of people as they grappled with
> an evolving situation. A system of self-management continues to evolve.


Ergo, better management was required. Describing the current mess that is
the English Wikipedia as having "a system of self-management" is generous.
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