Of course there are lots of useful things people can do in documenting heritage, that aren't part of WLM as such.
One of the strengths of WLM is that it's straight forward and that most people can participate. At least currently, AI-generation is neither. Drone photography is harder to prohibit because a drone is fundamentally not that different from a tripod. At this point, the distinction with pure AI-generation is still pretty clear, but i agree that this may not be as clear soon enough. It would be great if people could suggest some language that a) might be appropriate for national competitions, and b) that might be appropriate for the international competition. Lodewijk On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 9:03 AM Richard Nevell < [email protected]> wrote: > The AI question is especially interesting. This is important because you > could have some people using AI to 'recreate' historic sites as they may > have appeared. I'm a big fan of reconstructions like those of Bob Marshall > <https://bobmarshall.co.uk/> and think they are fantastic tools for > bringing the past to life and helping people imagine how a structure may > have appeared - but a good reconstruction involves a talented artist and > historical research. Aside from the copyright issues, one generated through > AI would likely veer into fantasy. I don't expect that to be common in Wiki > Loves Monuments, but it's perhaps worth considering. > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 at 14:44, attolippip <[email protected]> wrote: > >> hello, Kasia! >> >> your question prompted our own conversation locally :) we kind of have >> not thought about it before... >> >> so, our own rules in the WLM Ukraine have two important provisions, >> though not specific to AI (rules.wlm.photo >> <https://eu-west-1.protection.sophos.com?d=wlm.photo&u=aHR0cDovL3J1bGVzLndsbS5waG90bw==&i=NjVhZmE0ZjY3MDExZmY1Y2Q3NDE3Yjhh&t=WDRGYTBHSDZtWkFFelJyaHdJK2hWKzI2NnVRbmpJYkpYVW52d04wbzBrMD0=&h=dca7ca09d3924eaf9170786fe8f9f0a0&s=AVNPUEhUT0NFTkNSWVBUSVbCweAcDQpyMzCCs_fY3sNkvss_F1QaDZQc54fFltUZL-ReO8NJ8mwODa8DCynGClQ>): >> >> >> 5.1. Фотографії повинні бути виконані Конкурсантами особисто / Photos >> Photos must not be excessively processed (adding, removing or moving >> objects; "artistic blur", collages, etc.)should be self-taken by >> Contestants >> (...) >> 5.7. Світлини не мають бути надмірно обробленими (додавання, видалення чи >> переміщення об'єктів; «художнє розмиття», колажі тощо) / Photos must not >> be excessively processed (adding, removing or moving objects; "artistic >> blur", collages, etc.) >> >> ideally they would allow us even now to disqualify any "generated photo >> by AI", as it would not be "reflecting reality", while allowing us to >> accept pictures "moderately enhanced by AI powered tools" if the end >> product is useful for illustrating Wikipedia. but we might still add >> something to the rules just to be on the safe side >> >> now, from what I see, a sister photo contest, Wiki Loves Earth >> International follows the same logic (Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2024/Rules >> <https://eu-west-1.protection.sophos.com?d=wikimedia.org&u=aHR0cHM6Ly9jb21tb25zLndpa2ltZWRpYS5vcmcvd2lraS9Db21tb25zOldpa2lfTG92ZXNfRWFydGhfMjAyNC9SdWxlcw==&i=NjVhZmE0ZjY3MDExZmY1Y2Q3NDE3Yjhh&t=a2R2YkF0c3BTYWlpbEpWYTJXQUdlUzlPNHJzR1BJeFluMzZxRDhTRDZJUT0=&h=dca7ca09d3924eaf9170786fe8f9f0a0&s=AVNPUEhUT0NFTkNSWVBUSVbCweAcDQpyMzCCs_fY3sNkvss_F1QaDZQc54fFltUZL-ReO8NJ8mwODa8DCynGClQ>) >> in FAQs: >> >> *Can I use Photoshop or a similar program to post-process my photos >> before submitting them? Can I edit photos with AI?* >> You can use Photoshop or similar editing programs. The photos can be >> edited or processed using any software. But please avoid the temptation to >> overprocess. >> >> If the photo is fully AI-generated, it will surely be disqualified. >> Please try not to upload such images for the contest. You can upload >> slightly AI-edited images, but do not overprocess them: this is a >> photographic contest, not a computer art one. >> WLE Ukraine added a note to their provision about photos being self-taken >> ( >> https://ua.wikimedia.org/wiki/Вікі_любить_Землю_2024/Регламент#cite_ref-2 >> <https://eu-west-1.protection.sophos.com?d=wikimedia.org&u=aHR0cHM6Ly91YS53aWtpbWVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kv0JLRltC60ZZf0LvRjtCx0LjRgtGMX9CX0LXQvNC70Y5fMjAyNC_QoNC10LPQu9Cw0LzQtdC90YIjY2l0ZV9yZWYtMg==&i=NjVhZmE0ZjY3MDExZmY1Y2Q3NDE3Yjhh&t=c0hoRUVLbHdkaUpmaHVsR2p2RCtNaEh1eVdaeUZVaGJGYkhsSzJpWC93bz0=&h=dca7ca09d3924eaf9170786fe8f9f0a0&s=AVNPUEhUT0NFTkNSWVBUSVbCweAcDQpyMzCCs_fY3sNkvss_F1QaDZQc54fFltUZL-ReO8NJ8mwODa8DCynGClQ>): >> >> >> [2] Зокрема на конкурс заборонено подавати зображення, згенеровані >> інструментами генеративного штучного інтелекту. Для перевірки цієї вимоги >> оргкомітет залишає за собою право попросити надати оригінал фотографії у >> форматі RAW у авторів світлин, котрі претендують на перемогу у викладених у >> пп. 7.1. номінаціях / In particular, it is forbidden to submit images >> generated by generative artificial intelligence tools to the competition. >> In order to verify this requirement, the organising committee reserves the >> right to ask the authors of the photographs to submit the original photo in >> RAW format for the works participating in categories in 7.1 >> >> hope that helps! >> >> З повагою / Best regards, >> antanana >> Wiki Loves Monuments Ukraine >> >> Disclaimer: This letter is sent in my Wikimedia volunteer capacity, not >> as a Board member of Wikimedia Foundation >> >> >> ср, 28 серп. 2024 р. о 17:53 Katarzyna Makowska < >> [email protected]> пише: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am a first time organiser of Wiki Loves Monument at Wikimedia Polska >>> and I have two questions. 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