Am 10.09.2014 09:56 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > > Hoi, > I expected that it was obvious... Arguments that are based on desktop > experiences are futile because the desktop experience is the lesser of two > evils. The desktop experience is already bad, the experience on mobiles and > tablets is much worse it is intolerably unusable, > > Yes, you are overlooking stuff when you only consider inserting an isolated > comment that may help. That is not the only problem and not even the main > problem. Reading and analysing talk pages is already next to impossible in > this environment therefore inserting an isolated comment does not help > enough to make the experience at least bearable. > Thanks, > GerardM
What do you propose to make talk pages easier to read and analyse? > > On 10 September 2014 09:47, Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Sep 10, 2014 9:35 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hoi. > > > When you look at talk pages in isolation, you look at them on a computer > > > screen. A mobile or tablet screen is increasingly not used in isolation. > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by this. > > > > It > > > is where we find our new users and editors. We cannot afford to ignore > > > them; they are our future. This is why tinkering with talk pages is not > > an > > > option. Moving away from talk pages because of mobiles and tablets is the > > > killer reason why we need to move away from talk pages. > > > > > > It is a killer reason because it makes all arguments to the contrary pale > > > away. > > > Thanks, > > > GerardM > > > > What I find most painful about talk pages on mobile (on the desktop skin, > > because so far I've been too impatient to find talk pages and edit > > functionality on mobile) have been that editing huge text areas really > > sucks (the scrolling and positioning the cursor is a huge pain). This is > > not limited to talk pages by the way, but is identical for mainspace pages. > > > > A reply button that inserts an isolated comment at the correct indentation > > level would fix that. Am I overlooking stuff? > > > > > > On 10 September 2014 09:20, Martijn Hoekstra < martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 2014 5:11 AM, "Keegan Peterzell" <keegan.w...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair <w...@wllm.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, I signed my first comment by hand. I missed the comments > > about > > > > > > sigs in the wikitext editor interface. If it weren't for my family > > > > > > situation, I'm pretty sure I would have bailed. In any case, it was > > > > > > much easier to engage at WO, and that was partly- but not mostly- > > due > > > > > > to the fact that they run discussion software over there. > > > > > > > > > > > > ,Wil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This - signing by hand - is pretty much a universal experience for > > new > > > > > users, myself included. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Alaska&diff=prev&oldid=26555079 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ~Keegan > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan > > > > > > > > I'm not saying that isn't crap and unwelcoming: it is, and it deters > > new > > > > users. But it's hardly the end of the world either. By signing the > > wrong > > > > way no real harm is done, if someone just tells you about the option to > > use > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > It's crap and archaic and should be fixed, but it's also an example of > > the > > > > idea that there are no mistakes on a wiki. So you did something not > > right? > > > > Great, that means you contributed. So we fix it (collaboratively) and > > > > improve your contribution, no harm done. > > > > > > > > That said, auto sign and a reply button would be a *whole* lot > > friendlier > > > > than what we have now, and would be great improvements over the current > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > Flow definitely has a reply button, and automatic signing as well, but > > I > > > > can't help but think that just those features in isolation would be > > better > > > > then completely overhauling talk pages. > > > > > > > > --Martijn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my personal email address. 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