Facebook? So tell me, how do you explain to new Facebook users about the different levels of "privacy"? Seems to me that I'm constantly hearing about people having a lot of problems with that, especially since it's supposed to be a key site feature.
I'm with you about indenting, it's always been something strange. But signing posts is very natural for a lot of people, and many, many online sites encourage the development of "canned signature lines" - just as we do with preferences, although we put more constraints on them generally. Indeed, the majority of people in this thread have signed their posts. Indeed, Jon Davies' "+1" in response to this post had a 588-character signature line, presumably added to his mail client preferences. Risker/Anne On 8 September 2014 11:43, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > a) This discussion actually belongs to a talk page on Meta or > Mediawiki.org, for example :-) > > b) All my experience in teaching Wikipedia tells me that the talk page > system is absolutely outdated and inappropriate. It is, sorry to use this > word, *ridiculous* that you have to teach people how to communicate > technically in Wikipedia. I never had to explain to someone how to do that > on Facebook... > > As other people have pointed it out already, if you are already accustomed > to the Wikipedia user interface for a longer time, you might find it > difficult to fully understand what is the problem for newbies. And how big > this is a problem, and how important it is to solve this problem. > > Kind regards > Ziko > > > > Am Montag, 8. September 2014 schrieb Risker : > > > Well, I think that the "article editing" project (i.e., VE) has a huge > > potential for also resolving a lot of discussion space issues. I don't > see > > tacking on yet another UI as being a positive for new editor introduction > > or retention, and cannot think of another significant site that has two > > such wildly divergent interfaces (one very flexible and the other very > > rigid in structure), except perhaps in the mobile vs. desktop situation. > > > > I dunno, Marc. There are different expectations about signature, > depending > > on the target group. We still have people being freaked out that article > > histories contain their username or IP (a form of automatic signature), > so > > I'm not convinced that there's an expectation on the part of new users > that > > anything they write anywhere will automatically be signed. > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > > > On 8 September 2014 10:24, Marc A. Pelletier <m...@uberbox.org > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > On 09/08/2014 10:18 AM, Risker wrote: > > > > The most obvious one is automatic signing of comments, and it is > > > > something that we have technically been able to impose for years; > > sinebot > > > > didn't come into existence in a vacuum. > > > > > > I suppose that's a philosophical divergence between us then - that > > > sinebot even needs to exist to me is demonstration that the system is > > > broken. > > > > > > You say that discussion isn't all that much harder than editing > content. > > > Even if I agreed with that (and I do not, edit conflicts in articles > > > are much rarer than on talk pages - and usually easier to sort out), > > > that's not a *good* thing! > > > > > > Participating in discussion should be much, *much* easier than editing > > > articles: encouraging newbies to seek help and participate in the > > > community *before* diving in anything but trivial article edits would > be > > > an immensely powerful retention tool! > > > > > > (Which isn't to say that editing articles doesn't *also* need a lot of > > > help - but that's a different project). > > > > > > -- Marc > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > < > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
