Jane Darnell wrote:
>No, tagging is different. GerardM blogged about this with the example of
>"horse". You can "tag" a photo as being of a horse by putting it in the
>horse category, but in no time it will be filed under some subcategory of
>horse. There are relatively few images in the top "horse" category.
This is one of the most baffling parts of Commons to me. Why is it a
problem to have images of horses in Category:Horse? You seem to be
describing a social problem ("it will be filed under some subcategory [by
a person]"), not a technical problem. If people are vandalizing files by
removing useful categories, we should tell them to stop immediately.
>Moreover, most pictures of horses are not even in the horse category tree,
>but are categorized under some GLAM donation category and have never been
>sorted into any other category.
This doesn't make any sense to me either. There's no real limit to the
number of categories that a file can have. Why not have both
Category:Horse and Category:Donated_by_some_institution? What's the
technical issue here?
>The concept of categorizing is also based on existing categories, and the
>process of creating categories, though not difficult, is not easily
>available to newbies.
It's already fairly simple to add a category to a page (the category
description page doesn't need to exist for a category to have members),
but we need to make it simpler and more fun, as I said.
>Tagging allows the user complete freedom in associating concepts with
>images. Ideas around tagging on Commons have been rejected as putting an
>extra burden on anti-vandal fighters, in addition to being possibly
>useless in the goal of "making search on Commons suck less"
Useless? Tagging is a major part of search. I have no idea what you're
talking about here. My understanding is that GerardM believes that we'll
put tags into Wikidata instead of on Commons. I don't think any reasonable
person seriously questions the utility or virtue of tagging. I think many
reasonable look at the current classification system on Commons and
genuinely do find it completely useless and incredibly frustrating.
MZMcBride
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