Above all hosting a shop means: *production on demand: no "risks" but products become more expensive and slow to deliver *warehousing: means immobilizing a certain amount of money at the risk to accumulate unsold items. IMHO an internal shop would be justified by turnover at least 10 times greater than Joseph's estimate in following email.
Vito 2016-03-21 20:43 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > Hoi, > Have you considered the cost? It is not free to run a shop. When another > organisation can do it for you for less, it would be not good to have an > own shop on principles only. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 21 March 2016 at 20:39, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-w...@live.com > > > wrote: > > > Why do we need such a Shop? > > > > (I must admit that i tested the job a year ago, the product was fine, the > > shipment fast. A bit expensive for my taste.) > > > > I agree with other users that the shop schould be hosted on wikimedia > > servers. > > > > --Steinsplitter > > > > > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 17:41:46 +0100 > > > From: rupert.thur...@gmail.com > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who runs the Wikimedia Shop ? > > > > > > How many orders are handled by this shop? > > > > > > Rupert > > > On Mar 21, 2016 17:32, "Joseph Seddon" <jsed...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > > > > > In an ideal world then I would definitely be pushing for a fully > > wikimedia > > > > hosted online shop. I completely agree with the principles you've > > raised. > > > > But moving in-house would require resources for building and > > maintaining an > > > > ecommerce workflow that I don't think we collectively can justify. > The > > > > setup and maintenance of any solution would require a degree of > people > > > > power that I personally think could be spent better elsewhere in the > > > > movement as I am sure you would agree. > > > > > > > > Throwing together an e-commerce site can be easy. But doing it well, > > > > ensuring you are PCI compliant, ensuring its stable, secure etc. etc. > > and > > > > making it user friendly both front and back end. That takes time and > > money. > > > > Even if we did all that we would still in end up using a third party > > > > payment gateway. To ensure the shop is viable and not a drain we need > > to > > > > keep it as efficient as possible. > > > > > > > > As Marc said Shopify may not be completely FLOSS but many of the > > frameworks > > > > that Shopify use in their hosted service are on available on Github > > [1] and > > > > I would encourage you to take a look. > > > > > > > > With regards to the URL, I as a customer would find a top 10 website > > > > sending me to a third party URL for their shop highly suspicious and > I > > > > certainly could treat it with suspicion. Making it clear that it is > > hosted > > > > by shopify I think would at least improve the situation. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Seddon > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Ricordisamoa > > > > <ricordisa...@openmailbox.org> wrote: > > > > > Il 21/03/2016 13:14, Marc A. Pelletier ha scritto: > > > > >> > > > > >> On 2016-03-21 8:03 AM, Ricordisamoa wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> As in [1] I'd like to know whether the use of Shopify is > > acceptable for > > > > a > > > > >>> FOSS-friendly organization. Thanks in advance. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> While Shopify isn't FLOSS-only, they're a fairly okay place that > > does > > > > >> contribute to FLOSS themselves (mostly in the Ruby and Go worlds, > > that > > > > >> intersect very little with our own tech). > > > > >> > > > > >> I don't think it's reasonable to expect that every external > > supplier is > > > > >> all-FLOSS. For one, the movement would be pretty much stuck > without > > > > >> hardware, networking gear, and power at the very least. Not every > > > > >> service/provider even *have* pure-FLOSS alternative - let alone > > good or > > > > even > > > > >> adequate ones. > > > > >> > > > > >> -- Coren / Marc > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > My concern was about the (likely proprietary) JavaScript that is > run > > on > > > > the > > > > > customers' devices, but it turns out that it isn't actually > required > > to > > > > > browse and purchase? > > > > > > > > I very quickly looked, and it appears to be mostly open libraries and > > > > Shopify specific code for making purchases. > > > > However any amount of tracking could be hidden somewhere in their > > > > JavaScript, and an audit today doesnt mean it is safe to use > tomorrow, > > > > as the source code is not publicly reviewed before being deployed. > > > > > > > > > And yes, it'd be nice if the server side was under WMF's control > too! > > > > > > > > IMO it is more important that any service on the "wikimedia.org" > > > > domain (and others owned by WMF) is free software. > > > > > > > > Outsourcing the service provision is fine, provided the software is > > > > free software and the delegated service provider abides by our terms > > > > of use and privacy policy. > > > > > > > > If we need to run non-free services, that isnt free software or can't > > > > comply with our terms of use and privacy policy, it should be hosted > > > > on a different domain, preferrably the domain of the service provider > > > > so that it is abundantly clear who the transaction is really with. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > John Vandenberg > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
