Hoi, I would very much like an open conversation about Lsjbot and the ArticlePlaceHolder. In my opinion the use of approaches like bots and article place holders are a taboo subject for many. This taboo is the result of strong and loud opinions particularly in big Wikipedias like German and English.
The result is that much information is not available in many languages. This is what Lsjbot and potentially ArticlePlaceHolder remedy. I am strongly in favour on having readable information on any subject in any language. Having it is well possible as Lsjbot proves. It just needs sufficient TLC. When we are truly interested in serving our public, we would know what they are looking for and particularly what they are looking for that is missing. At this stage we are clueless. When our search strategy has a way of linking negative results to a workflow where labels in a language are added to Wikidata it would help. It would be a boon when new items can easily be created as a result particularly when they aid in disambiguation. To do that we have to think in terms of what is Wikidata good for and not have as its primary answer "it is to support Wikipedia" because that is awful. PS does anyone know how Mr Leng Ouch <https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?&q=23888152> name is written in Cambodian? He is the recipient of a major award and he should fit in lists of the award.. Thanks, GerardM On 21 April 2016 at 08:45, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote: > > Den 2016-04-21 kl. 08:21, skrev Gerard Meijssen: > >> Hoi, >> >> Anders, have you looked into the ArticlePlaceholder? Could it serve you >> well instead of adding articles using the bot? >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> > I do not know, as I am not directly involved. What I do know is that > Sverker, Lsjbot creator is one of the most clever persons I ever met, and > that he knows well of Wikidata and that all expertise on Wikidata on svwp > has been involved in the design > > I would suggest you ask Sverker directly (and offlist) I think you clever > guys on Wikidata can learn a lot from his insights > > Anders > > > > > > > > On 21 April 2016 at 07:48, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> >> wrote: >> >> Our traditional way of creating article is based on the interests of the >>> contributors. This produces skewed total result, and this becomes more >>> evident on a smaller version like svwp, then on bigger. We have long come >>> to the conclusion that we will never be able to fill categories like >>> towns >>> in Mali and basketballplayer in Brazil, where we have had something like >>> less then 10% of entries then the same categories on enwp (or frwp) >>> >>> Wikidata can be of help evening out, but on svwp we have (also since >>> long) >>> said we must work and have a more systematic and deliberate approach to >>> fill out "empty spaces" >>> >>> We therefore love Lsjbot which now generates several million good and >>> comprehensive articles on geographical entities all over the world from >>> the >>> most complete database that exists, and where areas like Africa is >>> getting >>> exactly the same attention like a Nordic country. It is completely >>> unrealistic to think that the few contributors on svwp would ever create >>> the now existing 250000 article on entities on Canada or 16500 entries >>> in >>> Antartica. But the bias in the source means Djibuti only gets 4000 and >>> Camerun 9000 but it is none the less a huge improvement. >>> >>> For articles on woman/men project are being run by wmse and it now exist >>> a >>> group of dedicated contributors generating articles on women. I am all >>> fascinated of sources being used, specially to get entries of women from >>> middle of 19-th century. All famous ballet dancers in Copenhagen in 1850. >>> All women who had local fame in Finland around 1860, including local >>> healers etc. They have now created many thousands articles and getting >>> the >>> rate of articles up to 20% of total (25% of the number for men) >>> >>> So I believe skewness is becoming an important issue and that we need to >>> adress oit even if it means to let go the "holy rule" only manual created >>> article are "real" articles, it is the need of our readers who should >>> have >>> priority. >>> >>> Anders >>> >>> [1] list of article generated by country this far: >>> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Robotskapade_geografiartiklar >>> [2] latest article generated just now a river in Fiji >>> >>> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbau_Creek_%28vattendrag,_lat_-16,50,_long_179,08%29 >>> >>> >>> Den 2016-04-20 kl. 23:30, skrev Florence Devouard: >>> >>> Hello >>>> >>>> Sorry for highjacking your thread, but reading your message, I wanted to >>>> share with you a small page I made a few days ago, to quantify the >>>> double >>>> gap Gender/Africa. >>>> >>>> http://www.wikiloveswomen.org/about-the-project/mind-the-gap/ >>>> >>>> If anyone has additional links or studies that could be useful to >>>> further >>>> illustrate that double gap... I am interested. >>>> >>>> Also, if anyone is interested in further exploring this data-wise, >>>> please >>>> raise your hand ;) >>>> >>>> Florence >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 20/04/16 09:39, alexhin...@gmail.com a écrit : >>>> >>>> Hi, as some of you may know, the Wikipedia gender indicator [1] tells us >>>>> how many articles are biographies about women x >>>>> language/country/culture. >>>>> >>>>> In order to compare these numbers...Does anyone knows if there is an >>>>> existing comparison with gender balance in classical encyclopedias? >>>>> (Britannica, Larousse...) or, if not, could someone prepare a WD query >>>>> about it? >>>>> >>>>> I think it could be a good argument for us to use: e.g "at cawiki 12% >>>>> of >>>>> bios are about women, compared to 5% in GEC, Our most famous >>>>> encyclopedia". >>>>> >>>>> We could compare it also for temathic encyclopedias or other databases >>>>> existing in projects like Mix and match. >>>>> >>>>> Can someone help? thanks in advance >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [1]http://wigi.wmflabs.org/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Àlex Hinojo >>>>> User:Kippelboy >>>>> Amical Wikimedia Programme manager >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
