Hoi,
Sorry that is not how it is under Dutch regulations.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 6 February 2017 at 01:35, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The second part of this IMO is not accurate "The Dutch chapter does not
> represent Wikipedia or any of the other projects. It cannot do this because
> the Wikimedia Foundation has this exclusive right."
>
> The Wikimedia movement which is a combination of the WMF, chapters and
> thorgs, along with the communities represent Wikipedia. The WMF only
> exclusively represents the WMF.
>
> James
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Ting Chen <wing.phil...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > Hello Gerard,
> >
> > I didn't say that a chapter represent a project or the Foundation. I said
> > it is perceived as a representative of the movement.
> >
> > For example, if the EU asks for opinion of the revision of the copy right
> > law. The answers by the european chapters are perceived as the answer of
> > this movement, it is not perceived as any casual organization. The media
> > will at first contact the chapters of their region or country if there is
> > anything to be commented about the movement.
> >
> > As you said yourself. Chapters support the community, and from a very
> > unique position that differs them from user groups, because there is only
> > one chapter for the Netherlands, or Germany, etc. And this is the reason
> > why there is a higher requirement of reports and activity for the
> chapters.
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Ting
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 05.02.2017 um 18:48 schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
> >
> >> Hoi,
> >> The Dutch chapter is well respected and it is why I can use it as an
> >> example. The Dutch chapter does not represent Wikipedia or any of the
> >> other
> >> projects. It cannot do this because the Wikimedia Foundation has this
> >> exclusive right.
> >>
> >> So when a chapter is said to represent the Wikimedia movement and its
> >> projects in a country, it is important that this is in line with
> reality.
> >> The reality is that the Dutch chapter is in principle a society with
> >> members; it has as a mission to share the sum of all knowledge and in
> its
> >> activities it supports the Dutch Wikimedia community as much as it
> can/is
> >> allowed to as well.
> >>
> >> When a chapter exclusively represents the WMF. Let there be trust and
> >> given
> >> the way things are it does not show when you analyse things.
> >> Thanks,
> >> GerardM
> >>
> >> On 5 February 2017 at 11:05, Ting Chen <wing.phil...@gmx.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Gerard,
> >>>
> >>> the chapters and thematic organizations are entrusted with certain
> >>> functions and authorities. For example a chapter enjoys regional (or
> >>> country wide) exclusivity in their operating region. They are perceived
> >>> in
> >>> the public as if they are official representatives of our movement in
> >>> that
> >>> region. The same function fulfills the Thematic Organizations for their
> >>> thematic area. This is why we lay a much higher standard of
> requirements
> >>> for these affiliates. Some chapters do not request funds by the FDC. We
> >>> also have user groups who request funds, and they need to provide the
> >>> same
> >>> reports as needed by the funds. For the AffCom money is not the topic
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>> Take the example of chapters if a chapter is not working, there is no
> >>> activity at all, it still blocks other affiliate grow up and take their
> >>> place as long as they are there and occupies the regional exclusity.
> This
> >>> is just one of the problematics here.
> >>>
> >>> And the AffCom do also require the User Groups to report their
> activity,
> >>> although in a very easy to do manner.
> >>>
> >>> I hope this clarifies your concern.
> >>>
> >>> Greetings
> >>>
> >>> Ting
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 05.02.2017 um 10:22 schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
> >>>
> >>> Hoi,
> >>>> I fail to see who you are targeting and on what basis. My impression
> is
> >>>> that it only has to do with money.. I understand this. For other parts
> >>>> like
> >>>> the language committee there are no reports except for the activity on
> >>>> its
> >>>> mailing list. I fail to see why it has to report to anyone. It is not
> >>>> the
> >>>> task the committee seeks and it does its activity on behalf of the
> >>>> Wikimedia board.
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> GerardM
> >>>>
> >>>> On 5 February 2017 at 00:06, Maor Malul <mao...@zoho.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>>> Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
> >>>>> organization,
> >>>>> or user group - is a privilege that allows an independent group to
> >>>>> officially use the Wikimedia name to further the Wikimedia mission.
> >>>>> While
> >>>>> most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards
> set
> >>>>> forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol
> has
> >>>>> been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia
> >>>>> affiliate
> >>>>> does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
> >>>>> recognition
> >>>>> as
> >>>>> a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to the Wikimedia movement. This
> >>>>> protocol is outlined at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
> >>>>> i/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Protocol_for_noncompliant_
> >>>>> Wikimedia_movement_affiliates
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the past year, the Affiliations Committee - with support from
> >>>>> Wikimedia
> >>>>> Foundation staff - has made a concerted effort to address a handful
> of
> >>>>> chapters with long-standing issues of non-compliance. As a result, in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> coming days and months, a small number of chapters that have been
> >>>>> unable
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> return to compliance through their efforts in the past year will not
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> their chapter agreements renewed. As a consequence, these
> organizations
> >>>>> will no longer have the additional rights to use the Wikimedia
> >>>>> trademarks,
> >>>>> including the Wikimedia name, that had been granted under those
> >>>>> agreements.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For a list of affiliates and their compliance status, please consult
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> reports page on Meta; there is also a page that lists formerly active
> >>>>> affiliates. If you have questions about what this means for community
> >>>>> members in the affected affiliates’ geographic area or language
> scope,
> >>>>> we
> >>>>> have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
> >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate
> >>>>> s/Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> M.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
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> >>>>> wayuukanairua
> >>>>> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
> >>>>> junain."
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