Bureaucrats aren't mean to be sort of a supreme court neither, same for chapters.
The central aspects of WMF-bans are: *bans issued out of usual community-driven process *bans not implying sharing info, usually collected off wiki, with people not strictly legally bound to confidentiality (I, for one, am bound to confidentiality by CA and policies, but it's such a vague bind compared to employees). Both aspects might be criticized but they are part of the definition of WMF-ban. Removing one of them would result in something which wouldn't longer be a WMF-ban. Basically changing one of these two aspects would imply replacing WMF-ban with something else. Vito 2017-02-18 15:47 GMT+01:00 Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com>: > someone from the affiliates, who is also a native speaker of the person > language and someone with whom there is a level of community trust through > being in elected positions. > > ARBCOM or a bureaucrat from the project where the incidents takes place, > someone with a high level of trust in the community and who has already > agreed to WMF privacy requirements > > they can be selected by the community and the WMF through any method, > > of course some people will appeal but the process gives the community the > input being demanded here while not preventing the WMF from acting. A WMF > global ban isnt a frivolous decision nor would a review be one. Yes your > right it could never be a whole of community decision thats why we look to > people who have the communities trust just like we do many other processes, > even local blocks/bans arent whole of community either but rather those who > happen to pass by or specifically haunt such process and then closed by > someone the community has already expressed trust in. > > On 18 February 2017 at 22:15, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > AffCom has nothing to do with this kind of issue, most of projects have > no > > arbcoms, Finally, anyone would appeal, turning WMF-issued ban into a [how > > to call this group?]-issued ban. > > > > Vito > > > > 2017-02-18 15:05 GMT+01:00 Olatunde Isaac <reachout2is...@gmail.com>: > > > > > Gnangarra raised some valid and interesting points here. Well, I don't > > > have problems with WMF banning anyone from Wikimedia projects as long > as > > > there is a significant reason to do so and through a transparent > process. > > > Nonetheless, I think WMF ban should be revocable following a successful > > > appeal. They could set up a form of appeal committee comprises of WMF > > Staff > > > (maybe those from WMF legal team), AffCom member, and member of ARBCOM > > from > > > the project where the incident occur as suggested by Gnangarra above. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Isaac > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld from Glo Mobile. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> > > > Sender: "Wikimedia-l" <wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>Date: > > Sat, > > > 18 Feb 2017 21:20:16 > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees > > > > > > what this discussion reveals is that; > > > > > > 1. the people here want to know who at the WMF has what permissions, > > and > > > a when why they were granted > > > 2. they want a system thats has good checks and balances, > > > 3. there is want to be able to be "consulted' during the process of > > > Global bans. > > > > > > > > > - Number 1 is just a maintenance issue, an on Meta(maybe Foundation > > > wiki) table of employee access would be the simplest to operate and > > > solve > > > rather than using a google spread sheet with a bot updating the on > > Meta. > > > - the process described by James Alexander appears to meet that, > > though > > > the duel role currently occurring isnt an ideal long term outlook > > > - Create a High Court, or Supreme court type appeal process where > the > > > person affected can email the committee for a review. The committee > > > could > > > be comprise of WMF Legal person, Affiliate > representatives(appropriate > > > language speaker), and bureaucrats(ARBCOM member) from the project > > where > > > the person was active or the event took place. With an after action > > > appeal > > > it doesnt impinge on any potential urgency or immediate imperative. > > It > > > could even allow for the person affected to have someone advocate on > > > their > > > behalf. > > > > > > > > > On 18 February 2017 at 19:59, Tim Landscheidt <t...@tim-landscheidt.de> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > The problem with law enforcement is that it operaties nationally. > It > > is > > > > not > > > > > obvious where people are and consequently it is not obvious what > > > > > jurisdiction is appropriate. > > > > > > > > > […] > > > > > > > > That's easy: The victim's. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > GN. > > > President Wikimedia Australia > > > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > > > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > GN. > President Wikimedia Australia > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
