User groups are, indeed, a more "light-weight" model of affiliation, with significantly fewer compliance requirements -- at least for groups which are unincorporated and do not receive significant grants -- and the Affiliations Committee has, in the past, encouraged chapters struggling with reporting and similar requirements to consider becoming a user group.
Having said that, there are certain issues that can prevent a smooth transition from a chapter to a user group. In particular, any individuals considered to have personal responsibility for an outstanding compliance issue -- which means, generally speaking, the actual signatories of a chapter or grant agreement, but could potentially include every member of the governing board in the case of an incorporated affiliate -- are not eligible to serve as signatories of a new user group agreement until the original compliance issue has been resolved. This proves to be a challenge when a group is small, or when the existing leadership of a group is unwilling to step aside during a transition. Regards, Kirill Lokshin Chair, Affiliations Committee On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 12:10 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Running a "user group" is much less bureaucratic overhead. Can WMPH not > just rejoin the movement as that? When the capacity to return to chapter > status develops the group can than apply for chapter status. > > James > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Josh Lim <jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > First of all, I'm not blaming anyone. I'm merely stating what is our > > position: that is, that we've been dealing with our issues to the best of > > our ability. That said, I'm sorry, but I will not tolerate being told > that > > I am "misleading" the movement by telling people what we've done to get > > ourselves out of this mess. I wouldn't dare stake my own reputation on > > misleading the movement, and for people to presume otherwise is appalling > > for a movement that claims to work on a fundamental assumption of good > > faith. > > It's perfectly fine that we've come to opposing conclusions as to how > > compliant we are, but the facts stand that we've worked our butts off to > > return to compliance. And we intend to do so. If the Wikimedia > > Foundation's ideal conclusion is that non-compliant affiliates ought to > > disband entirely, then what good is the process in the first place if the > > idea is to help organizations return to compliance? > > I'll affirm that we've received a deadline notice. I confirmed that in > my > > last e-mail to this list. The Wikimedia Foundation did give a list of > > things that we had to fix to return to compliance. We ticked off a > number > > of items from that list, and have conceded in our internal communications > > that other items can't be ticked off immediately owing to our capacity > and > > asked for more time to that effect. The decision that was ultimately > made > > was for us to lose our status because not everything was met by the > > deadline, and that was DESPITE everything that we've done at WMPH to meet > > the deadline to begin with. > > So no, I will NOT tolerate being told that we did nothing to return to > > compliance, and by no less than the chair of the Affiliations Committee > -- > > who otherwise I have a deep respect for -- in fact. At the very least, > > there has to be a concession that we tried. I have not heard that from > the > > other side thus far, and I'm here to make sure that people know that we > in > > fact DID try to return to compliance. > > Thanks, > > Josh > > (P.S.: For those asking, PhilWiki is not affiliated with WMPH. PhilWiki > > is a splinter group that was founded by a former member of Wikimedia > > Philippines, and is largely based in the Bicol Region in southern Luzon. > > WMPH, meanwhile, was based in Manila and had members nationwide.) > > JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM > > Block I1, AB Political Science > > Major in Global Politics, Minor in Chinese Studies > > Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University > > Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines > > > > jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com | +63 (977) 831-7582 > > Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harborhttps://joshlim.me > > On Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 3:58:48 AM PDT, Ting Chen < > wing.phil...@gmx.de> > > wrote:Hello Gnangarra, > > > > I joined AffCom in 2015, at that time the issue with Wikimedia > > Philippines was already on the table. The AffCom and the WMF had tried > > two years to get a settlement without a de-recognition with them. > > Meanwhile it is 2017, I don't believe Josh could resolve the problem in > > the last five hours which the entire Wikimedia Philippines was not able > > to resolve in the past two years. As I said in my other post, I > > personally don't think it wise to withhold information, especially > > obviously the people who would be "protected" don't appreciate being > > protected. But actually on the decision itself if there is something the > > AffCom is to be blamed, it is that it took them two years of time to > > make that hard decision. It was overdue, actually. > > > > Greetings > > > > Ting > > > > > > Am 25.04.2017 um 11:43 schrieb Gnangarra: > > > In the original email from Josh he raises some points about still > working > > > to address the issues in the five hours between his email and your > > response > > > which have occurred between 9pm and 2am in San Francisco it appears > that > > it > > > could not be possible for the WMF to have considered and refuted what > was > > > raised, especially to say > > > *"The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further > > details." *I > > > am concerned about how you can speak so categorically after just 5 > hours > > > for the WMF when they arent even awake, especially given it normally > > takes > > > a few days for any official statement from the WMF. > > > > > > I have no problem with affiliates being deregistered but the process > > should > > > be transparent and it should also be fair, no discussion or response to > > > what Josh raised publically is neither fair nor transparent > > > > > > Josh response was that WMPH was accountable you could have least given > > him > > > the chance to clarify the availability of the reporting requirements by > > > providing them > > > > > > > > > On 25 April 2017 at 17:33, Maor Malul <mao...@zoho.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> The wikimedians from the Phillippines that attended the WMCON are /not > > >> /members of WMPH but of PhilWiki Community [1], which is a completely > > >> different Wikimedia affiliate. > > >> > > >> If you read the original e-mail sent, the governance issues started to > > >> appear in 2014, and the chapter was notified back then. More issues > > >> accumulated over the time, and a solution was indeed searched for. > > Please > > >> elaborate on what "substantive discussion, consultation or > > investigation" > > >> means. > > >> > > >> > > >> 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PhilWiki_Community > > >> > > >> > > >> El 25/04/2017 a las 12:16 p.m., Gnangarra escribió: > > >> > > >>> It appears to me as this discussion has caused some confusion and it > > >>> should be clarified as I know that the Philippines had two members at > > the > > >>> recent Wikimedia Conference in Berlin arent there reporting > > requirements > > >>> attached to eligibility requirements. They are also part of the group > > >>> organising the ESEA conference in February 2018 along with a number > of > > >>> other affiliates in the region. Those of us who have committed > people, > > time > > >>> and other resources need some clarity as well > > >>> > > >>> While there appears to be some confusion here, Affcom and WMF should > at > > >>> least take some time to clarify the issues especially given its > > currently > > >>> 2am in San Francisco and it was only 9pm when Joshes email was sent. > > To me > > >>> it appears as if no substantive discussion, consultation or > > investigation > > >>> of Joshes claims could have taken place to warrant such a harsh > > response so > > >>> quickly. > > >>> > > >>> On 25 April 2017 at 16:05, Maor Malul <mao...@zoho.com <mailto: > > >>> mao...@zoho.com>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hello Josh, > > >>> > > >>> The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further > > >>> details of the very serious governance issues in order not to > hurt > > >>> the movement and the reputation of the people involved. Please, > > >>> avoid misleading and adding drama to this situation -which is > > >>> already difficult, and damages the movement as a whole. WMPH was > > >>> given very specific recommendations of what do and what not to > do, > > >>> but decided to go its own way. > > >>> > > >>> M. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió: > > >>> > > >>> If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being > > >>> “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this > > >>> process will remain sustainable. > > >>> > > >>> I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly > demotivating > > >>> for everyone involved. I’ve been trying to keep myself > > >>> composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I > > >>> simply cannot. > > >>> > > >>> I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than > > >>> others. Every organization does. But I will not allow the > > >>> work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be > thrown > > >>> out the window because we weren’t “accountable”. To the > best > > >>> of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to > > >>> the movement. And I, frankly, feet that we were as > > >>> accountable as we could’ve been. > > >>> > > >>> You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this > > >>> entire process. It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, > > >>> process the grief this entire process has brought upon > > >>> Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself. I will try to > > >>> be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling > me > > >>> to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect > > >>> for the work that we’ve done over the last six years. > That’s > > >>> really all I’m asking for at this point. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> > > >>> Josh > > >>> > > >>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman > > >>> <jmh...@gmail.com <mailto:jmh...@gmail.com> > > >>> <mailto:jmh...@gmail.com <mailto:jmh...@gmail.com>>> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of > > >>> accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in > > >>> the Philippines to become more active again. > > >>> > > >>> James > > >>> > > >>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia > > >>> Israel<it...@wikimedia.org.il > > >>> <mailto:it...@wikimedia.org.il> > > >>> <mailto:it...@wikimedia.org.il > > >>> > > >>> <mailto:it...@wikimedia.org.il>>>wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Thank you Maor for the update. > > >>> > > >>> We usually love to see our movement expend and > welcome > > >>> recognition of new > > >>> organizations, but I strongly believe that we > > >>> continuously need > > >>> to check > > >>> and evaluate our current organizations. > > >>> > > >>> Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core > > >>> assets - and > > >>> while it's > > >>> not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not > > only to > > >>> recognize new > > >>> ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are > > >>> not longer > > >>> active or > > >>> non-compliance with our movement requirements. > > >>> > > >>> Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to > > >>> start discuses > > >>> what is a > > >>> "movement accountability" and how we evaluate > > >>> organizations who > > >>> operate > > >>> outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom > have a > > >>> significant part in > > >>> it. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > > >>> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > > >>> +972-54-5878078 > > >>> <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> | > http://www.wikimedia.org.il > > >>> <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/> > > >>> Imagine a world in which every single human being > can > > >>> freely > > >>> share in the > > >>> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul > > >>> <mao...@zoho.com <mailto:mao...@zoho.com> > > >>> <mailto:mao...@zoho.com <mailto:mao...@zoho.com>>> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > * > > >>> > > > >>> > Dear all, > > >>> > > > >>> > * > > >>> > > > >>> > ** > > >>> > > > >>> > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, > > >>> thematic > > >>> organization, > > >>> > or user group - allows an independent group to > > >>> officially use > > >>> the Wikimedia > > >>> > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with > certain > > >>> duties and > > >>> > responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates > > >>> adhere to > > >>> the basic > > >>> > compliance standards set forth in their agreements > > >>> with the > > >>> Wikimedia > > >>> > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to > > address the > > >>> exceptional cases > > >>> > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum > > >>> compliance > > >>> standards and > > >>> > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia > affiliate > > >>> presents a > > >>> risk to the > > >>> > Wikimedia movement.* > > >>> > > > >>> > * > > >>> > > > >>> > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was > > >>> notified of their > > >>> > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long > > >>> standing and > > >>> serious > > >>> > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with > > >>> reporting > > >>> requirements > > >>> > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple > > >>> warnings > > >>> regarding them, > > >>> > and on the date mentioned above, was provided > with > > >>> an explicit > > >>> list of > > >>> > tasks and deadlines in order to return to > compliance > > >>> with their > > >>> chapter > > >>> > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these > > >>> tasks by the > > >>> deadline of > > >>> > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified > > >>> that they > > >>> would no longer > > >>> > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the > > >>> termination of > > >>> their Chapter > > >>> > Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to > make > > >>> clear that the > > >>> > Affiliations Committee will continue to support > > >>> other organized > > >>> Wikimedia > > >>> > communities and their activities in the > Philippines. > > >>> > > > >>> > If you have questions about what this means for > the > > >>> community > > >>> members in > > >>> > their region or language areas, we have put > together > > >>> a very > > >>> basic FAQ, > > >>> > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > >>> > > > >>> wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ> > > https:/ > > >>> > > > >>> /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ > > >>> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_ > > affiliate > > >>> s/> > > >>> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wi > > >>> ki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ > > >>> > > >>> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_ > > affiliate > > >>> s/>> > > >>> > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.* > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > -- > > >>> > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü > > >>> alijunakalirua jee > > >>> wayuukanairua > > >>> > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. > > >>> Ayatashi waya > > >>> junain." > > >>> > Maor Malul > > >>> > Socio, A.C. 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