On 05/06/2017 19:43, David Gerard wrote: > Editing may be a tricky one, particularly on en:wp, which has found > Tor exit points to overwhelmingly be fountains of garbage, and > automatically blocks them.
On 05/06/2017 19:47, John wrote: > enabling read access via Tor shouldn't be an issue, however editing should > not be allowed due to high volume of known abuse from that vector. On 05/06/2017 21:01, John wrote: > Im not going to violate BEANS, but even allowing accounts to edit without > further hurdles isn't going to work. Because of the anonymity that tor > provides its fairly easy to cause widespread issues. When the vandals start > actually using tactics the flood gates of TOR will cause massive issues > cross wiki that requires steward level intervention on a regular basis. Allow me to reiterate that I am not proposing any change to the current policies regarding editing via Tor or other open proxies. Even with an onion service, anonymous editing will still be blocked and registered users will still need to apply for IP block exemption before being able to edit. I have read several discussions on the topic (going back to 2006) and what I have understood from those is that the biggest issue with editing via Tor is sockpuppeting. Vandals and spammer could be handled (and blocked), sockpuppets would be much harder to identify. The problem is hard because it solving it requires to have a way to identify that two accounts with different IPs are related to the same real person without at the same time destroying the anonymity provided by Tor. There has been research on the topic (see, for example, Nymble[1]) but at the very least it would require some additional technical setup and testing. With this proposal I am not trying to solve that problem. I am just pointing out that: 1. having an onion service would increase the privacy of our readers and the (very few) people who are already allowed to edit via Tor. 2. is harder to block access to an onion service than to wikipedia.org (you basically need to block all accesses to Tor, but there are ways to circumvent that, too[2]). 3. supporting privacy-enhancing technology is good and people may need it or maybe they will start using Tor more. As it stands now, the biggest impact of this project (if it is successful) would be on operations and analytics. Cristian [1]: https://cgi.soic.indiana.edu/~kapadia/nymble/overview.php [2]: https://www.torproject.org/docs/pluggable-transports _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
