We have a number of source specific templates, such as {{EB1911}} for
acknowledging re-used source material. There is as yet no automatic
mechanism for changing these as and when the actual copying is replaced
entirely.
On 28 Aug 2017 01:18, "Gnangarra" <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> but the information is exactly the same, url, date, author, title - the
> refn template can include anything you need to add including license detail
> ie cc-by all of which can be internal or external links
>
> On 28 August 2017 at 00:26, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Citation and reuse is two different things.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > that notice states that text has been used, a specific citation where
> the
> > > text would add context by using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> > > Template:Refn
> > >
> > > On 27 August 2017 at 22:22, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Use of a template does not accurately identify the copied text, and
> in
> > > this
> > > > case nor the author.
> > > >
> > > > The license is the contract with the author and the reason why the
> text
> > > can
> > > > be copied. If the license says the author shall be identified, the by
> > > > attribution clause, then a link to the site is not good enough. If
> the
> > > > share alike clause is given, then it is even harder to give correct
> > > credit,
> > > > as the request for credit can be pretty weird.
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow, a page that is later edited is not necessarily something the
> > > > external editor has created, he or she has created a part that at
> some
> > > > point in time was incorporated in the page, and the present page may
> > not
> > > > even contain this content anymore.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > There is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:CC-notice on en at
> > > least
> > > > > specifically for the purpose of incorporating text licensed cc-by
> > > content
> > > > > within articles
> > > > >
> > > > > On 27 August 2017 at 21:28, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In some cases we need to attribute content created on external
> > sites,
> > > > and
> > > > > > reused on Wikimedia-sites. In Norway Åndsverksloven says "The
> > creator
> > > > has
> > > > > > the right to be named according to good practice" ("Opphavsmannen
> > har
> > > > > krav
> > > > > > på å bli navngitt slik som god skikk tilsier") and for our
> content
> > > that
> > > > > is
> > > > > > given by our license and our terms of use. That means by a link
> to
> > > the
> > > > > page
> > > > > > if possible, or if possible an entry in the history.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now we use a template on the page itself, or similar, but it is
> not
> > > the
> > > > > > page on our site that the external entity has provided, they have
> > > > > provided
> > > > > > the content at their site. So we must say that in some consistent
> > > way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe that the best option would be to have a log entry
> > injected
> > > > into
> > > > > > the history for our page that says "this revision comes in full
> or
> > > part
> > > > > > from that external source". Such an entry could be made by the
> > editor
> > > > or
> > > > > by
> > > > > > an administrator, but must be made as an extension of the
> revision.
> > > It
> > > > > > should also be possible to delete such an entry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An alternative could be to make the summary editable, but the
> > summary
> > > > is
> > > > > > the description of the revision, not the source of the revision.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does this make sense? Will it solve the problem, or is it just
> > > another
> > > > > > level that makes things more confusing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Erling Blad
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