Hi Ziko, Just a quick reaction to the last sentence of your message where you express your concern about oral traditions as a source and say 'Guillaume emphasized that he still wants to go this way.'
To some, this could give the impression that Guillaume is responsible for what went in the text and what did not. As Katherine mentioned in her message, drafting the strategic direction was a group process. (FYI, I was part of that group) Guillaume had the unenviable task of making sense of all the suggestions, input and comments, and produce meaningful and readable text. Frankly, I don't know anyone who could have done that job better. So, it is not so much that 'Guillaume still wants to go this way', but rather 'the drafting group believes the movement-wide consultation points this way.' I understand your concerns - and I know that they come from your deep commitment to the quality and the reliability of the Wikimedia projects. Your comments have already started some interesting discussions - on this list and in other places - about how oral traditions/sources could and should be used in a responsible way. Best regards, Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland 2017-10-21 14:20 GMT+02:00 Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com>: > Hello Nicole, > > Thank you. I just wonder - if the rest is presented this way, people might > think that it belongs to the direction, and what the relationship between > both is. And I'm afraid, that later the Foundation will claim that the rest > is important or an important (authoritative) interpretation that will > influence the following discussions. There will be confusion what exactly > is endorsed an can be used (abused) in those following discussions. > > For example, I am very concerned that the "oral traditions" are still in > the game, especially as Guillaume emphasized that he still wants to go this > way. > > Kind regards > Ziko > > > > > 2017-10-21 1:52 GMT+02:00 Nicole Ebber <nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de>: > > > Hi Ziko, > > > > Quick response regarding the endorsement: We will ask people to only > > endorse the strategic direction in the green box and the short section > > underneath with the next steps. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Best regards, > > Nicole > > > > On 21 October 2017 at 01:02, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > 2017-10-20 23:10 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <kma...@wikimedia.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > I am optimistic that this strategic direction provides every > individual > > > and > > > > entity within the Wikimedia movement something to be excited about. > > > > > > > > > > Hello, it is not about what I might be excited about - I wonder in > which > > > ways the document will be used in a way I find problematic for the > > > community. > > > > > > I am still curious about the links in the "See also" section: > > > > > > - Appendix > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > > movement/2017/Direction/Appendix>: > > > More information about the process, research, and findings that led > to > > > this > > > outcome. > > > - A report of findings > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > > movement/2017/Findings> > > > is being written and many references on this page will be updated to > > > point > > > to its content. > > > > > > Are those (and the footnotes) part of the "direction" document? Will > > people > > > who endorse the document also endorse them? > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Ziko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beginning on October 26, we will be asking for individual > contributors > > > and > > > > organized groups to endorse this new strategic direction for our > > > movement. > > > > I encourage you to spend the intervening days discussing this > direction > > > and > > > > determining if you and/or your group will be endorsing it. You will > > find > > > > more information about the endorsement day and the process on the > > > > direction’s meta page next week. > > > > > > > > The endorsement concludes phase 1 of the process, and we are > currently > > > > drafting the next steps of the process. The main goal of phase 2 will > > be > > > to > > > > answer the question "How do we implement the strategic direction", > > which > > > > means identifying the resources needed for execution, and the > > activities > > > it > > > > involves. A first rough overview of this phase is being developed on > > > Meta. > > > > Take a look! [2] > > > > > > > > On a different note, we have completed the move into our new office > > space > > > > at One Montgomery Tower![3] Once again, thank you to everyone on > staff > > > who > > > > was involved in making the move so seamless, and to all of you for > your > > > > patience over the past couple of weeks. Later this month, once we are > > > more > > > > settled in, we will be sharing photos and information about our new > > space > > > > on the Wikimedia Blog. > > > > > > > > Stay tuned! > > > > > > > > መልካም ቀን። (Amharic translation: “Have a nice day”), > > > > > > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > > > movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group > > > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030/Process_planning > > > > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ > headquarters > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Nicole Ebber > > Adviser International Relations > > Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. 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