Hello Sandra, Thank you for your mail. For me, this is not specifically about Guillaume. I referred to him as he has answered to me about "oral traditions", supporting them.
I know that the way to this text was a long one; I have read papers on this way and was appalled. Now I find it difficult not to believe that this is a slippery slope. Kind regards, Ziko 2017-10-21 18:14 GMT+02:00 Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland < rient...@wikimedia.nl>: > Hi Ziko, > > Just a quick reaction to the last sentence of your message where you > express your concern about oral traditions as a source and say 'Guillaume > emphasized that he still wants to go this way.' > > To some, this could give the impression that Guillaume is responsible for > what went in the text and what did not. As Katherine mentioned in her > message, drafting the strategic direction was a group process. (FYI, I was > part of that group) Guillaume had the unenviable task of making sense of > all the suggestions, input and comments, and produce meaningful and > readable text. Frankly, I don't know anyone who could have done that job > better. So, it is not so much that 'Guillaume still wants to go this way', > but rather 'the drafting group believes the movement-wide consultation > points this way.' > > I understand your concerns - and I know that they come from your deep > commitment to the quality and the reliability of the Wikimedia projects. > Your comments have already started some interesting discussions - on this > list and in other places - about how oral traditions/sources could and > should be used in a responsible way. > > Best regards, > > > Sandra Rientjes > Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland > > > > 2017-10-21 14:20 GMT+02:00 Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com>: > > > Hello Nicole, > > > > Thank you. I just wonder - if the rest is presented this way, people > might > > think that it belongs to the direction, and what the relationship between > > both is. And I'm afraid, that later the Foundation will claim that the > rest > > is important or an important (authoritative) interpretation that will > > influence the following discussions. There will be confusion what exactly > > is endorsed an can be used (abused) in those following discussions. > > > > For example, I am very concerned that the "oral traditions" are still in > > the game, especially as Guillaume emphasized that he still wants to go > this > > way. > > > > Kind regards > > Ziko > > > > > > > > > > 2017-10-21 1:52 GMT+02:00 Nicole Ebber <nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de>: > > > > > Hi Ziko, > > > > > > Quick response regarding the endorsement: We will ask people to only > > > endorse the strategic direction in the green box and the short section > > > underneath with the next steps. > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Nicole > > > > > > On 21 October 2017 at 01:02, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > 2017-10-20 23:10 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <kma...@wikimedia.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am optimistic that this strategic direction provides every > > individual > > > > and > > > > > entity within the Wikimedia movement something to be excited about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, it is not about what I might be excited about - I wonder in > > which > > > > ways the document will be used in a way I find problematic for the > > > > community. > > > > > > > > I am still curious about the links in the "See also" section: > > > > > > > > - Appendix > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > > > movement/2017/Direction/Appendix>: > > > > More information about the process, research, and findings that > led > > to > > > > this > > > > outcome. > > > > - A report of findings > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > > > movement/2017/Findings> > > > > is being written and many references on this page will be updated > to > > > > point > > > > to its content. > > > > > > > > Are those (and the footnotes) part of the "direction" document? Will > > > people > > > > who endorse the document also endorse them? > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > Ziko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beginning on October 26, we will be asking for individual > > contributors > > > > and > > > > > organized groups to endorse this new strategic direction for our > > > > movement. > > > > > I encourage you to spend the intervening days discussing this > > direction > > > > and > > > > > determining if you and/or your group will be endorsing it. You will > > > find > > > > > more information about the endorsement day and the process on the > > > > > direction’s meta page next week. > > > > > > > > > > The endorsement concludes phase 1 of the process, and we are > > currently > > > > > drafting the next steps of the process. The main goal of phase 2 > will > > > be > > > > to > > > > > answer the question "How do we implement the strategic direction", > > > which > > > > > means identifying the resources needed for execution, and the > > > activities > > > > it > > > > > involves. A first rough overview of this phase is being developed > on > > > > Meta. > > > > > Take a look! [2] > > > > > > > > > > On a different note, we have completed the move into our new office > > > space > > > > > at One Montgomery Tower![3] Once again, thank you to everyone on > > staff > > > > who > > > > > was involved in making the move so seamless, and to all of you for > > your > > > > > patience over the past couple of weeks. Later this month, once we > are > > > > more > > > > > settled in, we will be sharing photos and information about our new > > > space > > > > > on the Wikimedia Blog. > > > > > > > > > > Stay tuned! > > > > > > > > > > መልካም ቀን። (Amharic translation: “Have a nice day”), > > > > > > > > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > > > > > movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group > > > > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030/Process_ > planning > > > > > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ > > headquarters > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject= > unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Nicole Ebber > > > Adviser International Relations > > > Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups > > > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. 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