On the other hand, I would like see WMF starts fixing harm done by its cultural neocolonial actions in Brazil and India.
On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Asaf Bartov <asaf.bar...@gmail.com> wrote: > A message from your list moderators: > > This thread does not belong on this list. > > It is spillover of a long and bitter conflict in the Portuguese community, > and this list's membership is not well situated to contribute to a solution > through discussion on this list. Those particularly interested and able > can participate in relevant threads on the Portuguese Wikipedia. > > However, moving the mutual recriminations onto this list is escalation that > can only upset people and exacerbate the conflict, and is not an effective > way to seek help. > > As was mentioned, the matter involves allegations of harassment -- > investigated by the Support and Safety team in the Community Engagement > department at WMF -- as well as legal action. Both avenues would not > benefit from partial and probably-biased context shared on this list. > > The parties in conflict should continue to seek a modus vivendi on the wiki > they share, on-wiki, as well as through the channels they are already > pursuing. Smearing the other side on this list won't accomplish anything. > > Accordingly, *please stop posting on this thread*. We have also placed the > Brazilians involved in this conflict on temporary moderation, to prevent > further escalation. > > (putting on my WMF hat for a moment -- As a further point of context, both > sides have at one point requested WMF intervention in Brazil. WMF has not > yet announced whether and how it would intervene, though several > alternatives have been discussed. Stay tuned.) > > A. > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:47 PM Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never ends >> in a "reconciliation". >> >> Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity mission. >> >> Vito >> >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >> > >> Mail >> priva di virus. www.avast.com >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >> > >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> 2017-11-06 15:30 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < >> psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: >> >> > Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links. >> > >> > I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the >> mailing >> > list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list >> > moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more suited >> > place to develop your points. Punctual feedback on the list to signal >> > creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, as far as >> > I'm concerned. >> > >> > You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an overview >> > of main statements you are claiming, each linked to related resources >> which >> > let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest and >> > resources to do so. >> > >> > If you are interested to turn that in a research project as objective as >> > you might be able to create, I also encourage you to open a research >> > project on a Wikiversity instance, after a check of how such a project >> > might be conducted on the selected instance. You might also like to >> create >> > and conduct some interviews and publish them on Wikinews. >> > >> > I hope that the difficult situation you are passing through will end up >> in >> > the most contributive, positive and placid possible resolution. >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > mathieu >> > >> > [1] https://github.com/molly/wikimedia-timeline >> > >> > >> > >> > Le 06/11/2017 à 11:59, Chico Venancio a écrit : >> > >> >> Ended up with out the links, sorry: >> >> [1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html >> >> [2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118 >> >> [3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24 >> >> >> >> Chico Venancio >> >> >> >> 2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio <chicocvenan...@gmail.com>: >> >> >> >> To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious >> >>> lies.* >> >>> >> >>> The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site down*.[1] >> >>> Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and Godaddy >> >>> allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2] >> >>> >> >>> Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil >> >>> that >> >>> has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and >> >>> myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of >> another >> >>> user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with >> >>> either >> >>> myself or João. >> >>> >> >>> That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the >> >>> university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should not >> >>> only >> >>> impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation >> >>> agreements with the "user group" were this comes from. >> >>> >> >>> On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our >> >>> members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does not >> >>> want >> >>> his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There was >> on >> >>> more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of Wiki >> >>> Education Brazil, and at one point those hints came to level of >> actually >> >>> using the words "beating" in reference to another member of our user >> >>> group, >> >>> Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed >> >>> psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a >> public >> >>> facebook thread. >> >>> >> >>> The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly >> invalid >> >>> for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the co-authors >> of >> >>> the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly >> states >> >>> that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any license >> and >> >>> remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an affront >> to >> >>> his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the >> user >> >>> banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was >> not >> >>> given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki, only >> >>> makes >> >>> the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption of >> >>> good >> >>> faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from the >> >>> "User Group" Wiki Education Brazil to João. >> >>> >> >>> Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement, >> >>> >> >>> Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment, >> >>> >> >>> Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio) >> >>> >> >>> 2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade < >> >>> henriquedeandr...@gmail.com >> >>> >> >>>> : >> >>>> Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to >> write >> >>>> the >> >>>> story below. >> >>>> >> >>>> The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had its website [1] shutted >> >>>> down >> >>>> due to an attack using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), >> and >> >>>> the >> >>>> most shocking of this story is that the legal threat was made by a >> >>>> "member" >> >>>> of the Wikimedia community: Mr. João Alexandre Peschanski, who uses >> the >> >>>> username Joalpe. >> >>>> >> >>>> My unreal saga began on October 7th when I received an email informing >> >>>> me >> >>>> that the WMF Support and Safety team had received a complaint from >> >>>> Joalpe >> >>>> that his copyright was being violated by the publication on the I >> >>>> CCBWIKI >> >>>> (I Brazilian Scientific Congress of Wikipedia) website of a paper >> which >> >>>> he >> >>>> is a co-author. >> >>>> >> >>>> I thought this situation was very strange and I imagined it was a >> >>>> misunderstanding. I promptly in good faith emailed Joalpe, copying WMF >> >>>> team, trying to figure out what could have led to this misleading >> >>>> interpretation that we were committing a copyright infringement. In >> the >> >>>> email I reminded him that he knows several members of the Wiki Edu >> >>>> Brazil >> >>>> group and that he could communicate directly with us if he was >> bothered >> >>>> with something and that, if he wanted to, I could remove from the site >> >>>> the >> >>>> work of which he is a co-author, even though it is on the CC-BY 3.0 >> >>>> license. >> >>>> >> >>>> To my surprise I never received a reply from Joalpe. Instead, two days >> >>>> after my contact arrives a message from GoDaddy (company where the >> Wiki >> >>>> Edu >> >>>> Brasil’s site is hosted in the United States) informing that we have >> >>>> received a "complete DMCA complaint", made by the Center for Research, >> >>>> Innovation and Diffusion in Neuromamatics of the University of São >> Paulo >> >>>> (CEPID NeuroMat - USP), signed by João Alexandre Peschanski. >> >>>> >> >>>> In this complaint he alleges that in the page that I made with the >> texts >> >>>> sent to the I CCBWIKI there would be a text of which he is one of the >> >>>> authors and that he would have revoked our authorization to publish >> it, >> >>>> accuses us of not giving the due credits in the work and implies that >> we >> >>>> would have copied the content from another conference, prior to >> CCBWIKI, >> >>>> where it would have been originally published. >> >>>> >> >>>> I lack words to describe my revolt at such absurd lies. First: not >> only >> >>>> was >> >>>> the authorization not revoked but also a Creative Commons publication >> >>>> could >> >>>> not have its permission revoked for sharing. Secondly, in fact his >> name >> >>>> did >> >>>> not appear on the page listing the papers, because the main author of >> >>>> the >> >>>> article did not register it correctly in the system, but when clicking >> >>>> on >> >>>> the file his name was in the credits correctly. Third: the published >> >>>> content was exactly the one sent by the author David Fernando Levon >> >>>> Alves >> >>>> on August 29, 2016, and until the current unfortunate legal threat I >> did >> >>>> not even know of the existence of Intercom conference, where I now >> know >> >>>> that the same paper had been presented in September 9th. >> >>>> >> >>>> And Joalpe knows all about it! Even on page that he links[2] in his >> >>>> complaint saying that is proof of him having revoked our authorization >> >>>> for >> >>>> publication, he clearly says that he disallows the publication of the >> >>>> paper >> >>>> his is the main author, and that he would talk to the other author to >> >>>> propose withdrawing the paper in question, and the chair of the event >> >>>> promptly replied indicating that the dialogue should continue through >> >>>> the >> >>>> conference management system (it is worth noting that he said he would >> >>>> like >> >>>> to withdraw his work because he has never seen an academic conference >> >>>> that >> >>>> does not pay for the transfer and accommodations for all, an argument >> >>>> that >> >>>> does not make any sense to anyone that minimally knows the reality of >> >>>> Brazilian academy). >> >>>> >> >>>> Still bewildered by this nonsense I had to decide what to do. The DMCA >> >>>> notice gave us two options: either to remove the illegally posted file >> >>>> or >> >>>> to contest the complaint. Thinking about justice, we would obviously >> opt >> >>>> for the second option because we were not doing anything illegal. But >> >>>> within the cruel logic of the DMCA, we were given an absurd 24-hour >> >>>> deadline to send a response and our page was already off. It is worth >> >>>> mentioning that at that moment our host removed all the pages in the >> >>>> domain >> >>>> wikibrasil.org, and not just the page with the annals of the previous >> >>>> conference. In this way, projects such as IWSC and WLM that were in >> key >> >>>> moments of their execution were also unavailable to users. So, to the >> >>>> very >> >>>> annoyance we had to remove the file (as if we were guilty!) In order >> to >> >>>> request that the sites be republished. >> >>>> >> >>>> Yet stunned by this, I asked for help from the WMF’s Trust & Safety >> and >> >>>> the >> >>>> Legal Team. Both were sympathetic, but the WMF's legal support >> policies >> >>>> provide support only for problems regarding content hosted on the >> >>>> foundation's servers, and since that was not the case, I could not >> >>>> receive >> >>>> formal legal support. Unsure, fearing the possible legal implications >> of >> >>>> the complaint, and without knowing how to defend myself I spoke with >> >>>> groups >> >>>> of free culture and defense of freedom of expression and concluded >> that >> >>>> the >> >>>> best way to defend myself would be to publicize the ongoing >> persecution. >> >>>> >> >>>> The days that followed were very difficult for me. Whenever I had to >> >>>> deal >> >>>> with any wiki subject I was taken by a feeling of revolt and could not >> >>>> do >> >>>> anything. I spent hours trying to write these words but I just >> couldn’t >> >>>> do >> >>>> it. Having to face a legal threat through the DMCA may already be >> >>>> something >> >>>> to wrap the stomach itself, but having to do it knowing that who >> >>>> denounces >> >>>> know he is lying, says himself a defender of free culture and is even >> a >> >>>> member of the Wikimedia community is unbelievably revolting! >> >>>> >> >>>> We all know that wikis communities are not a bed of roses and I have >> >>>> several times left and I stopped editing because of the bullying done >> by >> >>>> users like him. But this time I won’t shut up! The destructive >> behavior >> >>>> of >> >>>> this person has escalated in a way that is forcing me to spend all my >> >>>> time >> >>>> studying United States copyright law to defend myself from something I >> >>>> did >> >>>> not do, and he knows it well. This user used his influence to move the >> >>>> largest university in Latin America into an international legal threat >> >>>> against the movement he claims to be a part of. We need to stop it! >> >>>> >> >>>> For those who do not know this user, it is worth pointing out that he >> >>>> leads >> >>>> a users group, and receives funding from WMF to conduct outreach >> >>>> activities. I repeat: This person who uses the DMCA to legally >> threaten >> >>>> members of the Wikimedia community is receiving money from our >> movement >> >>>> to >> >>>> fund their projects. We can not accept this anymore! Joao Alexandre >> >>>> Peschanski (a.k.a. Joalpe) should be boycotted in every possible way >> by >> >>>> the >> >>>> Wikimedia movement. A copyright troll should never receive grants, be >> >>>> accepted in our spaces and have the right to speak on behalf of our >> >>>> community! >> >>>> >> >>>> In addition to measures within the Wikimedia community I also ask for >> >>>> your >> >>>> support to help with my defense of Joalpe's attack on the legal >> world. I >> >>>> call upon all advocates of free culture, freedom of knowledge and the >> >>>> Wikimedia movement to endorse the following petition [3], addressed to >> >>>> the >> >>>> University of São Paulo, demanding that it immediately withdraw the >> >>>> complaint of violation to the DMCA made against the Wiki Educação >> Brasil >> >>>> group, and that it immediately stops pursuing free-culture movements >> in >> >>>> Brazil and in the world: >> >>>> https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente- >> >>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar >> >>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente- >> >>>> de-usar-a-justi> >> >>>> >> >>>> I publish this letter still frightened, but already without fear and >> >>>> confident that united we will overcome one more attack that threatens >> >>>> not >> >>>> only the Wikimedia movement, but the whole culture of free knowledge. >> >>>> >> >>>> "Imagine a world in which every person on the planet has free access >> to >> >>>> the >> >>>> sum of all human knowledge. That is what we are doing." Jimbo Wales >> >>>> >> >>>> Sincerely, >> >>>> >> >>>> Henrique de Andrade (User: HenriqueCrang) >> >>>> >> >>>> [1] http://wikibrasil.org >> >>>> >> >>>> [2] >> >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/ >> >>>> Events/Congresso_Científico_Brasileiro_da_Wikipédia/2016# >> >>>> Tr.C3.AAs_d.C3.BAvidas >> >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/ >> >>>> Events/Congresso_Cient> >> >>>> >> >>>> [3] >> >>>> https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente- >> >>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar >> >>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente- >> >>>> de-usar-a-justi> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> >>>> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> >>>> i/Wikimedia-l >> >>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> , >> >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> >> i/Wikimedia-l >> >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Milos _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
