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Op wo 15 nov. 2017 om 14:24 schreef Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com>
> On the other hand, I would like see WMF starts fixing harm done by its
> cultural neocolonial actions in Brazil and India.
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Asaf Bartov <asaf.bar...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > A message from your list moderators:
> >
> > This thread does not belong on this list.
> >
> > It is spillover of a long and bitter conflict in the Portuguese
> community,
> > and this list's membership is not well situated to contribute to a
> solution
> > through discussion on this list. Those particularly interested and able
> > can participate in relevant threads on the Portuguese Wikipedia.
> >
> > However, moving the mutual recriminations onto this list is escalation
> that
> > can only upset people and exacerbate the conflict, and is not an
> effective
> > way to seek help.
> >
> > As was mentioned, the matter involves allegations of harassment --
> > investigated by the Support and Safety team in the Community Engagement
> > department at WMF -- as well as legal action. Both avenues would not
> > benefit from partial and probably-biased context shared on this list.
> >
> > The parties in conflict should continue to seek a modus vivendi on the
> wiki
> > they share, on-wiki, as well as through the channels they are already
> > pursuing. Smearing the other side on this list won't accomplish
> anything.
> >
> > Accordingly, *please stop posting on this thread*. We have also placed
> the
> > Brazilians involved in this conflict on temporary moderation, to prevent
> > further escalation.
> >
> > (putting on my WMF hat for a moment -- As a further point of context,
> both
> > sides have at one point requested WMF intervention in Brazil. WMF has
> not
> > yet announced whether and how it would intervene, though several
> > alternatives have been discussed. Stay tuned.)
> >
> > A.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:47 PM Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never
> ends
> >> in a "reconciliation".
> >>
> >> Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity
> mission.
> >>
> >> Vito
> >>
> >> <
> >>
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
> >> >
> >> Mail
> >> priva di virus. www.avast.com
> >> <
> >>
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
> >> >
> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> >>
> >> 2017-11-06 15:30 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz <
> >> psychosl...@culture-libre.org>:
> >>
> >> > Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links.
> >> >
> >> > I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the
> >> mailing
> >> > list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list
> >> > moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more
> suited
> >> > place to develop your points. Punctual feedback on the list to signal
> >> > creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, as
> far as
> >> > I'm concerned.
> >> >
> >> > You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an
> overview
> >> > of main statements you are claiming, each linked to related resources
> >> which
> >> > let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest and
> >> > resources to do so.
> >> >
> >> > If you are interested to turn that in a research project as objective
> as
> >> > you might be able to create, I also encourage you to open a research
> >> > project on a Wikiversity instance, after a check of how such a project
> >> > might be conducted on the selected instance. You might also like to
> >> create
> >> > and conduct some interviews and publish them on Wikinews.
> >> >
> >> > I hope that the difficult situation you are passing through will end
> up
> >> in
> >> > the most contributive, positive and placid possible resolution.
> >> >
> >> > Kind regards,
> >> > mathieu
> >> >
> >> > [1] https://github.com/molly/wikimedia-timeline
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Le 06/11/2017 à 11:59, Chico Venancio a écrit :
> >> >
> >> >> Ended up with out the links, sorry:
> >> >> [1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html
> >> >> [2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118
> >> >> [3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24
> >> >>
> >> >> Chico Venancio
> >> >>
> >> >> 2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio <chicocvenan...@gmail.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >> To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious
> >> >>> lies.*
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site
> down*.[1]
> >> >>> Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and
> Godaddy
> >> >>> allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2]
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education
> Brazil
> >> >>> that
> >> >>> has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe
> and
> >> >>> myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of
> >> another
> >> >>> user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with
> >> >>> either
> >> >>> myself or João.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the
> >> >>> university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should
> not
> >> >>> only
> >> >>> impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation
> >> >>> agreements with the "user group" were this comes from.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our
> >> >>> members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does
> not
> >> >>> want
> >> >>> his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There
> was
> >> on
> >> >>> more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of
> Wiki
> >> >>> Education Brazil, and at one point those hints came to level of
> >> actually
> >> >>> using the words "beating" in reference to another member of our user
> >> >>> group,
> >> >>> Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed
> >> >>> psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a
> >> public
> >> >>> facebook thread.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly
> >> invalid
> >> >>> for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the
> co-authors
> >> of
> >> >>> the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly
> >> states
> >> >>> that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any
> license
> >> and
> >> >>> remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an
> affront
> >> to
> >> >>> his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the
> >> user
> >> >>> banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was
> >> not
> >> >>> given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki,
> only
> >> >>> makes
> >> >>> the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption
> of
> >> >>> good
> >> >>> faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from
> the
> >> >>> "User Group" Wiki Education Brazil to João.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade <
> >> >>> henriquedeandr...@gmail.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> :
> >> >>>> Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to
> >> write
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> story below.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had its website [1]
> shutted
> >> >>>> down
> >> >>>> due to an attack using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA),
> >> and
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> most shocking of this story is that the legal threat was made by a
> >> >>>> "member"
> >> >>>> of the Wikimedia community: Mr. João Alexandre Peschanski, who uses
> >> the
> >> >>>> username Joalpe.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> My unreal saga began on October 7th when I received an email
> informing
> >> >>>> me
> >> >>>> that the WMF Support and Safety team had received a complaint from
> >> >>>> Joalpe
> >> >>>> that his copyright was being violated by the publication on the I
> >> >>>> CCBWIKI
> >> >>>> (I Brazilian Scientific Congress of Wikipedia) website of a paper
> >> which
> >> >>>> he
> >> >>>> is a co-author.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I thought this situation was very strange and I imagined it was a
> >> >>>> misunderstanding. I promptly in good faith emailed Joalpe, copying
> WMF
> >> >>>> team, trying to figure out what could have led to this misleading
> >> >>>> interpretation that we were committing a copyright infringement. In
> >> the
> >> >>>> email I reminded him that he knows several members of the Wiki Edu
> >> >>>> Brazil
> >> >>>> group and that he could communicate directly with us if he was
> >> bothered
> >> >>>> with something and that, if he wanted to, I could remove from the
> site
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> work of which he is a co-author, even though it is on the CC-BY 3.0
> >> >>>> license.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> To my surprise I never received a reply from Joalpe. Instead, two
> days
> >> >>>> after my contact arrives a message from GoDaddy (company where the
> >> Wiki
> >> >>>> Edu
> >> >>>> Brasil’s site is hosted in the United States) informing that we
> have
> >> >>>> received a "complete DMCA complaint", made by the Center for
> Research,
> >> >>>> Innovation and Diffusion in Neuromamatics of the University of São
> >> Paulo
> >> >>>> (CEPID NeuroMat - USP), signed by João Alexandre Peschanski.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In this complaint he alleges that in the page that I made with the
> >> texts
> >> >>>> sent to the I CCBWIKI there would be a text of which he is one of
> the
> >> >>>> authors and that he would have revoked our authorization to publish
> >> it,
> >> >>>> accuses us of not giving the due credits in the work and implies
> that
> >> we
> >> >>>> would have copied the content from another conference, prior to
> >> CCBWIKI,
> >> >>>> where it would have been originally published.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I lack words to describe my revolt at such absurd lies. First: not
> >> only
> >> >>>> was
> >> >>>> the authorization not revoked but also a Creative Commons
> publication
> >> >>>> could
> >> >>>> not have its permission revoked for sharing. Secondly, in fact his
> >> name
> >> >>>> did
> >> >>>> not appear on the page listing the papers, because the main author
> of
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> article did not register it correctly in the system, but when
> clicking
> >> >>>> on
> >> >>>> the file his name was in the credits correctly. Third: the
> published
> >> >>>> content was exactly the one sent by the author David Fernando Levon
> >> >>>> Alves
> >> >>>> on August 29, 2016, and until the current unfortunate legal threat
> I
> >> did
> >> >>>> not even know of the existence of Intercom conference, where I now
> >> know
> >> >>>> that the same paper had been presented in September 9th.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> And Joalpe knows all about it! Even on page that he links[2] in his
> >> >>>> complaint saying that is proof of him having revoked our
> authorization
> >> >>>> for
> >> >>>> publication, he clearly says that he disallows the publication of
> the
> >> >>>> paper
> >> >>>> his is the main author, and that he would talk to the other author
> to
> >> >>>> propose withdrawing the paper in question, and the chair of the
> event
> >> >>>> promptly replied indicating that the dialogue should continue
> through
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> conference management system (it is worth noting that he said he
> would
> >> >>>> like
> >> >>>> to withdraw his work because he has never seen an academic
> conference
> >> >>>> that
> >> >>>> does not pay for the transfer and accommodations for all, an
> argument
> >> >>>> that
> >> >>>> does not make any sense to anyone that minimally knows the reality
> of
> >> >>>> Brazilian academy).
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Still bewildered by this nonsense I had to decide what to do. The
> DMCA
> >> >>>> notice gave us two options: either to remove the illegally posted
> file
> >> >>>> or
> >> >>>> to contest the complaint. Thinking about justice, we would
> obviously
> >> opt
> >> >>>> for the second option because we were not doing anything illegal.
> But
> >> >>>> within the cruel logic of the DMCA, we were given an absurd 24-hour
> >> >>>> deadline to send a response and our page was already off. It is
> worth
> >> >>>> mentioning that at that moment our host removed all the pages in
> the
> >> >>>> domain
> >> >>>> wikibrasil.org, and not just the page with the annals of the
> previous
> >> >>>> conference. In this way, projects such as IWSC and WLM that were in
> >> key
> >> >>>> moments of their execution were also unavailable to users. So, to
> the
> >> >>>> very
> >> >>>> annoyance we had to remove the file (as if we were guilty!) In
> order
> >> to
> >> >>>> request that the sites be republished.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Yet stunned by this, I asked for help from the WMF’s Trust & Safety
> >> and
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> Legal Team. Both were sympathetic, but the WMF's legal support
> >> policies
> >> >>>> provide support only for problems regarding content hosted on the
> >> >>>> foundation's servers, and since that was not the case, I could not
> >> >>>> receive
> >> >>>> formal legal support. Unsure, fearing the possible legal
> implications
> >> of
> >> >>>> the complaint, and without knowing how to defend myself I spoke
> with
> >> >>>> groups
> >> >>>> of free culture and defense of freedom of expression and concluded
> >> that
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> best way to defend myself would be to publicize the ongoing
> >> persecution.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The days that followed were very difficult for me. Whenever I had
> to
> >> >>>> deal
> >> >>>> with any wiki subject I was taken by a feeling of revolt and could
> not
> >> >>>> do
> >> >>>> anything. I spent hours trying to write these words but I just
> >> couldn’t
> >> >>>> do
> >> >>>> it. Having to face a legal threat through the DMCA may already be
> >> >>>> something
> >> >>>> to wrap the stomach itself, but having to do it knowing that who
> >> >>>> denounces
> >> >>>> know he is lying, says himself a defender of free culture and is
> even
> >> a
> >> >>>> member of the Wikimedia community is unbelievably revolting!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> We all know that wikis communities are not a bed of roses and I
> have
> >> >>>> several times left and I stopped editing because of the bullying
> done
> >> by
> >> >>>> users like him. But this time I won’t shut up! The destructive
> >> behavior
> >> >>>> of
> >> >>>> this person has escalated in a way that is forcing me to spend all
> my
> >> >>>> time
> >> >>>> studying United States copyright law to defend myself from
> something I
> >> >>>> did
> >> >>>> not do, and he knows it well. This user used his influence to move
> the
> >> >>>> largest university in Latin America into an international legal
> threat
> >> >>>> against the movement he claims to be a part of. We need to stop it!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> For those who do not know this user, it is worth pointing out that
> he
> >> >>>> leads
> >> >>>> a users group, and receives funding from WMF to conduct outreach
> >> >>>> activities. I repeat: This person who uses the DMCA to legally
> >> threaten
> >> >>>> members of the Wikimedia community is receiving money from our
> >> movement
> >> >>>> to
> >> >>>> fund their projects. We can not accept this anymore! Joao Alexandre
> >> >>>> Peschanski (a.k.a. Joalpe) should be boycotted in every possible
> way
> >> by
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> Wikimedia movement. A copyright troll should never receive grants,
> be
> >> >>>> accepted in our spaces and have the right to speak on behalf of our
> >> >>>> community!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In addition to measures within the Wikimedia community I also ask
> for
> >> >>>> your
> >> >>>> support to help with my defense of Joalpe's attack on the legal
> >> world. I
> >> >>>> call upon all advocates of free culture, freedom of knowledge and
> the
> >> >>>> Wikimedia movement to endorse the following petition [3],
> addressed to
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> University of São Paulo, demanding that it immediately withdraw the
> >> >>>> complaint of violation to the DMCA made against the Wiki Educação
> >> Brasil
> >> >>>> group, and that it immediately stops pursuing free-culture
> movements
> >> in
> >> >>>> Brazil and in the world:
> >> >>>> https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
> >> >>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar
> >> >>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
> >> >>>> de-usar-a-justi>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I publish this letter still frightened, but already without fear
> and
> >> >>>> confident that united we will overcome one more attack that
> threatens
> >> >>>> not
> >> >>>> only the Wikimedia movement, but the whole culture of free
> knowledge.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "Imagine a world in which every person on the planet has free
> access
> >> to
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> sum of all human knowledge. That is what we are doing." Jimbo Wales
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Sincerely,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Henrique de Andrade (User: HenriqueCrang)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> [1] http://wikibrasil.org
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> [2]
> >> >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/
> >> >>>> Events/Congresso_Científico_Brasileiro_da_Wikipédia/2016#
> >> >>>> Tr.C3.AAs_d.C3.BAvidas
> >> >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/
> >> >>>> Events/Congresso_Cient>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> [3]
> >> >>>> https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
> >> >>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar
> >> >>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
> >> >>>> de-usar-a-justi>
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