2017-11-30 11:46 GMT+02:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: >> Nobody suggest in no way to do license laundering nor to violates Wiktionaries licence, > > It's not suggestion, it's what Wikidata is already doing with Wikipedia, despite the initial statement of Wikidata team[1] that it wouldn't do that because it's illegal : > > /"Alexrk2, it is true that Wikidata under CC0 would not be allowed > to import content from a Share-Alike data source. Wikidata does not > plan to extract content out of Wikipedia at all. Wikidata will > provide data that can be reused in the Wikipedias./" > – Denny Vrandečić > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata#Is_CC_the_right_license_for_data.3F > > I think that the extent to which massive import without respecting license of the source should be investigated properly by the Wikimedia legal team, or some qualified consultants. > > In the mid time, based on its previous practises, it's clear that promises of Wikidata team regarding respect of licenses can not be trusted. So even if they suggested that that kind of massive import won't be done, it wouldn't be enough.
This is another personal attack, and it's unnecessary and incorrect. The imports from Wikipedia were done by the Wikidata community, not by Wikidata team. It's too easy to speak in retrospect, but there were these plausible scenarios: 1. Editors who strongly care about reliable sourcing, in the style of English Wikipedia verifiability policies, are strongly opposed to importing data from Wikipedia, because by itself it's a self-reference and not a reliable source. If it would succeed, data would not be imported from Wikipedia, not because of licensing, but because of content quality. I remember attempts to do this, but evidently this is not what happened. 2. Editors who strongly care about the prevention of license whitewashing object to importing data from Wikipedia and prevent it. This also could happen, but it didn't. 3. Editors who are good at writing bots or making a lot of manual edits and love seeing Wikidata getting filled with data, import a lot of data. Like it or not, this happened. Could anybody know in 2012 what would actually happen? I don't know. If you would have asked me then, I'd possibly guess that scenarios 1 and 2 are likelier, but now we know that that would be very naïve. Judging by what happened in the past, I can suspect that data from Wiktionary will be imported anyway. Public domain or not, the bots people will find a way around licenses. It's a certain eventuality. The bigger questions are under what license will it be eventually stored, under what licenses will it be reused, and will this contribute to the growth of Free Knowledge. My intuition tells me that using more CC-BY-SA and less CC-0 will contribute more to Free Knowledge, but what do I know. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
