*Dear Wikimedians,As I have learned that in some groups and communities there are ongoing discussions regarding participation in the Working Groups and we also need to make further efforts to ensure a more diverse pool of applicants, we are extending the call for Working Groups [1] by one week, new deadline being *July 2, 2018*.I am also taking the time to organize Q&A sessions about the Movement Strategy Process and the Working Group model. I am sharing a Doodle link with you, where you can sign up for any of the offered sessions next week on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday [2}.Thanks to those of you who have already applied!Have a great weekend!Kaarel[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Apply <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Apply>[2] https://doodle.com/poll/8fr7a7giw9n4cg5n <https://doodle.com/poll/8fr7a7giw9n4cg5n>*
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 3:22 AM Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Kaarel, > Thank you for following up. > Regarding product and technology, I agree that they are closely > interrelated, but I remain concerned about assigning such a broad scope of > responsibilities to a single WG, and about the potential overlap of the WG > with the existing TechCom and the Platform Evaluation Initiative. I would > like to hear thoughts from Toby and/or Victoria about these issues, perhaps > on the talk page of the WG. > I am glad that further thought is being given to the time commitment to > the WGs. I hope to discuss this further with you, perhaps in a Hangouts > meeting next week. > Thank you for your responsiveness to input. > Pine > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > > -------- Original message --------From: Kaarel Vaidla < > kvai...@wikimedia.org> Date: 6/18/18 1:34 PM (GMT-08:00) To: > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement > Strategy: Open Call for Working Group > members > Dear Pine, > > Product & Technology are closely interrelated themes. We do not have a > product without technology and technology is developed according to our > product vision & design. The Working Group will not duplicate the > discussions, but ensure that different existing processes feed into each > other. In addition to that, we will work closely with Wikimedia Foundation > Product and Technology departments to ensure the value of Working Group > conversations. > > The question regarding time commitment is valid and we are happy to discuss > it with people interested in participating in the Working Groups. We want > everyone to be realistic about the extent of work ahead of us, but also > need diversity of perspectives in the Working Groups to have meaningful > conversations and a successful process. We have now specified the language > to expectation of “*an average* of 5 hours per week” (as Lodewijk has > already noted), which is more in line with what we have in mind. > > It is also possible to state in the application form what is the working > time that one can commit to the working groups and it can be less than 5 > hours. We can then note the interest as well as background and decide with > the Steering Committee about the options of including these people in the > workstreams. Also Working Groups will be working in the open and there will > be feedback cycles for including voices from the wider movement and > perspectives that are not represented in the Working Groups. > > Process budget is out of my scope of work, but your question has been > forwarded to the relevant people. > > Have a good continuation to your week! > Kaarel > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 3:29 AM Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Kaarel, > > > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Kaarel Vaidla <kvai...@wikimedia.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Pine and Lodewijk, > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feedback. I would like to > comment > > > on some of your concerns in my role as the Process Architect. > > > > > > The scope for all groups has been defined in quite a broad way, mainly > to > > > keep the level of conversations high and mitigate the risk of too much > > time > > > being spent on details and tactical issues. For the Technology & > Product > > > group for example, we think that there are more benefits in connecting > > them > > > than separating people with expertise and connections within both > areas. > > > > > > > I concede that I know much less about MediaWiki than some of the > engineers > > who have been here for years, but I think that I know enough to say that > > the scope of work for the Product and Technology group looks ambitious > and > > could be segmented into two or more WGs with more specific scopes that > > could coordinate their work when necessary. Perhaps you could share, > here > > or on the talk page > > < > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Product_%26_Technology > > >, > > your analysis that led you to conclude that a single working group is the > > best way to go for the Product & Technology group. Also, please explain > how > > you anticipate that the group will sync its efforts with TechCom and the > > Platform Evolution initiative, so as to avoid confusion and duplication > of > > effort. If someone like Victoria would like to comment here or on the > talk > > page, I'd be glad to hear their perspective. I think that it would be > good > > to get clarity on these issues early in the process. > > > > > > > > > > > > We are indeed looking for high commitment in the Working Groups as we > > would > > > like the participants to be well informed and effective in the > > > conversations. Working Group members will not only be participating in > > > discussion meetings, but reading through existing materials, research > and > > > preparing for the meetings. In addition to that, we expect some time to > > go > > > to contextualizing these materials and carrying the conversations from > > the > > > Working Groups into their “home” groups and communities – and vice > versa. > > > This takes time and we want to be clear about it, as to avoid Working > > Group > > > dropout, burnout and ensure the presence of the diverse perspectives > > > throughout the process. > > > > > > > I am glad that you are being clear about your goals. However, I think > that > > they will limit the diversity of participants to people who think that > they > > will have lots of available volunteer time for nine months and/or are > > willing to divert 5+ hours per week from other valuable volunteer > > activities. I think that this goal is inadvisable for the sake of the > > diversity of the WGs and also because of the potential diversion of > > significant volunteer hours from other valuable activities. > > > > > > > > > > For both volunteers and staff members it will mean prioritizing. That > is > > > the reason we are encouraging discussions inside your communities, > > groups, > > > collaboratives and organizations to decide who are the best > > representatives > > > of your perspectives and expertise. For many organizations and groups, > > the > > > coming year will be a transition year, with time set aside for > strategic > > > planning and a redistribution of responsibilities within the > organization > > > or group. As to individuals - it is of course up to them to decide what > > > they can manage and not and what are the priorities in their > > contributions. > > > > > > > Unfortunately, at this point, I am not going to recommend that most > people > > participate in these WGs because I feel that the time commitment that you > > are requesting is excessive. Of course, volunteers are free to make their > > own choices, but volunteering for WGs is not a course of action that I am > > likely to recommend to most people. I am not trying to undermine your > good > > intentions, but I think that you are requesting far too much and that you > > would be more successful in encouraging diverse participation if your > > requests for volunteers' time was more modest. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for the feedback targeted towards ensuring clarity > > around > > > the process and some of the specific points regarding participation in > > the > > > Working Groups. > > > > > > > > > Again, I appreciate your clarifying your expectations, although I would > > encourage you to revise them. > > > > Also, please respond to my question about the budget for this phase of > the > > strategy process that I made in my previous email. I would hope that WMF > > made a detailed budget for this phase of the strategy, and as with other > > strategy documents I would hope that it would be published. > > > > > > Pine > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > *Kaarel Vaidla* > Process Architect for > Wikimedia Movement Strategy > 2030.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- *Kaarel Vaidla* Process Architect for Wikimedia Movement Strategy 2030.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
