Dear all, Here is the link to the conference call for the Movement Strategy Process Q&A [1] starting in 2 hours. [1] https://meet.google.com/oig-trht-hnd
Looking forward to an interesting discussion and feedback! Kaarel On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 7:39 PM Kaarel Vaidla <kvai...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > (reposting update for readability, as something went wrong with formatting > last time) > > Dear Wikimedians, > > As I have learned that in some groups and communities there are ongoing > discussions regarding participation in the Working Groups and we also > need to make further efforts to ensure a more diverse pool of applicants, > we are extending the call for Working Groups [1] by one week, new > deadline being *July 2, 2018*. > > I am also taking the time to organize Q&A sessions about the Movement > Strategy Process and the Working Group model. I am sharing a Doodle link > with you, where you can sign up for any of the offered sessions next week > on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday [2}. > > Thanks to those of you who have already applied!Have a great weekend! > Kaarel > > [1] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Apply > [2] https://doodle.com/poll/8fr7a7giw9n4cg5n > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 6:37 PM Kaarel Vaidla <kvai...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >> >> >> *Dear Wikimedians,As I have learned that in some groups and communities >> there are ongoing discussions regarding participation in the Working Groups >> and we also need to make further efforts to ensure a more diverse pool of >> applicants, we are extending the call for Working Groups [1] by one week, >> new deadline being *July 2, 2018*.I am also taking the time to organize Q&A >> sessions about the Movement Strategy Process and the Working Group model. I >> am sharing a Doodle link with you, where you can sign up for any of the >> offered sessions next week on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday [2}.Thanks to >> those of you who have already applied!Have a great weekend!Kaarel[1] >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Apply >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Apply>[2] >> https://doodle.com/poll/8fr7a7giw9n4cg5n >> <https://doodle.com/poll/8fr7a7giw9n4cg5n>* >> >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 3:22 AM Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Kaarel, >>> Thank you for following up. >>> Regarding product and technology, I agree that they are closely >>> interrelated, but I remain concerned about assigning such a broad scope of >>> responsibilities to a single WG, and about the potential overlap of the WG >>> with the existing TechCom and the Platform Evaluation Initiative. I would >>> like to hear thoughts from Toby and/or Victoria about these issues, perhaps >>> on the talk page of the WG. >>> I am glad that further thought is being given to the time commitment to >>> the WGs. I hope to discuss this further with you, perhaps in a Hangouts >>> meeting next week. >>> Thank you for your responsiveness to input. >>> Pine >>> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) >>> >>> -------- Original message --------From: Kaarel Vaidla < >>> kvai...@wikimedia.org> Date: 6/18/18 1:34 PM (GMT-08:00) To: >>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement >>> Strategy: Open Call for Working Group >>> members >>> Dear Pine, >>> >>> Product & Technology are closely interrelated themes. We do not have a >>> product without technology and technology is developed according to our >>> product vision & design. The Working Group will not duplicate the >>> discussions, but ensure that different existing processes feed into each >>> other. In addition to that, we will work closely with Wikimedia >>> Foundation >>> Product and Technology departments to ensure the value of Working Group >>> conversations. >>> >>> The question regarding time commitment is valid and we are happy to >>> discuss >>> it with people interested in participating in the Working Groups. We want >>> everyone to be realistic about the extent of work ahead of us, but also >>> need diversity of perspectives in the Working Groups to have meaningful >>> conversations and a successful process. We have now specified the >>> language >>> to expectation of “*an average* of 5 hours per week” (as Lodewijk has >>> already noted), which is more in line with what we have in mind. >>> >>> It is also possible to state in the application form what is the working >>> time that one can commit to the working groups and it can be less than 5 >>> hours. We can then note the interest as well as background and decide >>> with >>> the Steering Committee about the options of including these people in the >>> workstreams. Also Working Groups will be working in the open and there >>> will >>> be feedback cycles for including voices from the wider movement and >>> perspectives that are not represented in the Working Groups. >>> >>> Process budget is out of my scope of work, but your question has been >>> forwarded to the relevant people. >>> >>> Have a good continuation to your week! >>> Kaarel >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 3:29 AM Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi Kaarel, >>> > >>> > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Kaarel Vaidla <kvai...@wikimedia.org> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > > Dear Pine and Lodewijk, >>> > > >>> > > Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feedback. I would like to >>> comment >>> > > on some of your concerns in my role as the Process Architect. >>> > > >>> > > The scope for all groups has been defined in quite a broad way, >>> mainly to >>> > > keep the level of conversations high and mitigate the risk of too >>> much >>> > time >>> > > being spent on details and tactical issues. For the Technology & >>> Product >>> > > group for example, we think that there are more benefits in >>> connecting >>> > them >>> > > than separating people with expertise and connections within both >>> areas. >>> > > >>> > >>> > I concede that I know much less about MediaWiki than some of the >>> engineers >>> > who have been here for years, but I think that I know enough to say >>> that >>> > the scope of work for the Product and Technology group looks ambitious >>> and >>> > could be segmented into two or more WGs with more specific scopes that >>> > could coordinate their work when necessary. Perhaps you could share, >>> here >>> > or on the talk page >>> > < >>> > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Product_%26_Technology >>> > >, >>> > your analysis that led you to conclude that a single working group is >>> the >>> > best way to go for the Product & Technology group. Also, please >>> explain how >>> > you anticipate that the group will sync its efforts with TechCom and >>> the >>> > Platform Evolution initiative, so as to avoid confusion and >>> duplication of >>> > effort. If someone like Victoria would like to comment here or on the >>> talk >>> > page, I'd be glad to hear their perspective. I think that it would be >>> good >>> > to get clarity on these issues early in the process. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > We are indeed looking for high commitment in the Working Groups as we >>> > would >>> > > like the participants to be well informed and effective in the >>> > > conversations. Working Group members will not only be participating >>> in >>> > > discussion meetings, but reading through existing materials, >>> research and >>> > > preparing for the meetings. In addition to that, we expect some time >>> to >>> > go >>> > > to contextualizing these materials and carrying the conversations >>> from >>> > the >>> > > Working Groups into their “home” groups and communities – and vice >>> versa. >>> > > This takes time and we want to be clear about it, as to avoid Working >>> > Group >>> > > dropout, burnout and ensure the presence of the diverse perspectives >>> > > throughout the process. >>> > > >>> > >>> > I am glad that you are being clear about your goals. However, I think >>> that >>> > they will limit the diversity of participants to people who think that >>> they >>> > will have lots of available volunteer time for nine months and/or are >>> > willing to divert 5+ hours per week from other valuable volunteer >>> > activities. I think that this goal is inadvisable for the sake of the >>> > diversity of the WGs and also because of the potential diversion of >>> > significant volunteer hours from other valuable activities. >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > For both volunteers and staff members it will mean prioritizing. >>> That is >>> > > the reason we are encouraging discussions inside your communities, >>> > groups, >>> > > collaboratives and organizations to decide who are the best >>> > representatives >>> > > of your perspectives and expertise. For many organizations and >>> groups, >>> > the >>> > > coming year will be a transition year, with time set aside for >>> strategic >>> > > planning and a redistribution of responsibilities within the >>> organization >>> > > or group. As to individuals - it is of course up to them to decide >>> what >>> > > they can manage and not and what are the priorities in their >>> > contributions. >>> > > >>> > >>> > Unfortunately, at this point, I am not going to recommend that most >>> people >>> > participate in these WGs because I feel that the time commitment that >>> you >>> > are requesting is excessive. Of course, volunteers are free to make >>> their >>> > own choices, but volunteering for WGs is not a course of action that I >>> am >>> > likely to recommend to most people. I am not trying to undermine your >>> good >>> > intentions, but I think that you are requesting far too much and that >>> you >>> > would be more successful in encouraging diverse participation if your >>> > requests for volunteers' time was more modest. >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > Thank you so much for the feedback targeted towards ensuring clarity >>> > around >>> > > the process and some of the specific points regarding participation >>> in >>> > the >>> > > Working Groups. >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > Again, I appreciate your clarifying your expectations, although I would >>> > encourage you to revise them. >>> > >>> > Also, please respond to my question about the budget for this phase of >>> the >>> > strategy process that I made in my previous email. I would hope that >>> WMF >>> > made a detailed budget for this phase of the strategy, and as with >>> other >>> > strategy documents I would hope that it would be published. >>> > >>> > >>> > Pine >>> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Kaarel Vaidla* >>> Process Architect for >>> Wikimedia Movement Strategy >>> 2030.wikimedia.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Kaarel Vaidla* >> Process Architect for >> Wikimedia Movement Strategy >> 2030.wikimedia.org >> > > > -- > *Kaarel Vaidla* > Process Architect for > Wikimedia Movement Strategy > 2030.wikimedia.org > -- *Kaarel Vaidla* Process Architect for Wikimedia Movement Strategy 2030.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
