But to clarify, the intent is to be Plan-S compliant from what I understand.
James On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:46 AM James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Wiki Journals use CC BY SA. We do not support or want to us ND as that > would prevent translation into other languages. That is why I disagree with > Plan S's move to allow ND. > > James > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 9:08 AM Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> En.wikiversity user I'm dealing with was a custodian (in other words a >> well >> established user within the community). >> >> Keeping it short my main concern is: we are a naturally democratic >> community, while the science cannot be. Also, we've been attracting low >> quality "research" for years. >> >> Vito >> >> Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 16:36 James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> >> ha >> scritto: >> >> > The peer review process and the editors of the journals in question. >> This >> > is the same mechanism that prevents gibberish from getting into all peer >> > reviewed literature. >> > >> > J >> > >> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 6:30 AM Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > In years I've seen countless attempts to put gibberish on our projects >> > > which were eventually defeated by the "no original research" >> principle. >> > > Even en.wikiversity struggled with a now banned user (and his >> > > friends/enablers) pushing lots of gibberish about cold fusion, >> paranormal >> > > and Wikimedia user themselves. So I ask, what will prevent this kind >> of >> > > gibberish from slowing infiltrating such project? >> > > >> > > Don't get me wrong but I think this is the first question in order to >> > > define a "business model" for the project: why would a "serious" >> research >> > > group choose to publish there instead of already existing OA journals >> or >> > > classical PR journals? >> > > >> > > Vito >> > > >> > > Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 04:16 Thomas Shafee < >> > > thomas.sha...@gmail.com> ha scritto: >> > > >> > > > Yes, we put together a little checklist back in round one (*link* >> > > > < >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Notes_on_Plan_S_compliance_criteria >> > > > > >> > > > ). >> > > > >> > > > Initially there were a few items that are currently not achieved >> (e.g. >> > > > JATS-compliant XML formatting). The revised Plan_S has reduced >> > stringency >> > > > and all the items that weren't hit happen to be optional. That being >> > > said, >> > > > things like JATS-compliant XML and citation metadata would be >> valuable >> > to >> > > > implement anyway for machine readability. >> > > > >> > > > Thomas >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 04:53, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > It already is Plan-S compliant :-) >> > > > > >> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_S#Licensing_and_rights >> > > > > >> > > > > Plan-S unfortunately is looking at allowing ND content. >> > > > > >> > > > > James >> > > > > >> > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 8:14 AM Mister Thrapostibongles < >> > > > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > Thomas >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Is it intended that the journals should be Plan-S compliant? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Thrapostibongles >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 9:01 AM Thomas Shafee < >> > > thomas.sha...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hello Wikipedians, >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Over the last few years, the WikiJournal User Group >> > > > > > > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group> has >> > been >> > > > > > building >> > > > > > > and testing a set of peer reviewed academic journals on a >> > mediawiki >> > > > > > > platform. The main types of articles are: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > - Existing Wikipedia articles submitted for external review >> > and >> > > > > > feedback >> > > > > > > (example <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjs/2018.006>) >> > > > > > > - From-scratch articles that, after review, are imported to >> > > > > Wikipedia >> > > > > > ( >> > > > > > > example <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjm/2018.001>) >> > > > > > > - Original research articles that are not imported to >> > Wikipedia >> > > > > > (example >> > > > > > > < >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Acute_gastrointestinal_bleeding_from_a_chronic_cause:_a_teaching_case_report >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ) >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > *Proposal: WikiJournals as a new sister project >> > > > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiJournal>* >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > From a Wikipedian point of view, this is a complementary >> system >> > to >> > > > > > Featured >> > > > > > > article review, but bridging the gap with external experts >> > > > > > > < >> > > > >> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Peer_reviewers >> > > > > >, >> > > > > > > implementing established scholarly practices >> > > > > > > < >> > > > > >> > > >> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Ethics_statement >> > > > > > >, >> > > > > > > and generating citable, doi-linked publications >> > > > > > > < >> > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Publishing >> > > >. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please take a look and support/oppose/comment! 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