In response to a few of the earlier questions (apologies for the delays): *Quality control* There are a few mechanisms in place for quality control:
- Standard academic processes of external peer reviews which for wikijournals are all public (journals such as PLOS are moving in the same direction) - Accountability to the academic community - indexing by cope <https://publicationethics.org/misconduct>, doaj <https://doaj.org>, pubmed <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/>, scopus <https://www.scopus.com/search/form.uri?display=basic>, web of science <https://clarivate.com/products/web-of-science/>, free journal network <https://freejournals.org> etc all require *extensive *external auditing of processes. Each journal has to apply for these individually and they are challenging to gain and retain. - Accountability and transparency to the wider community - unlike other academic publishing houses, we try to get feedback on ideas, votes and governance (which could be much greater with more exposure to the academic community) *Why would an academic choose a WikiJournal* 1. Most OA journals charge $2000-3000 per publication. 2. Idealistic academics may value it for its adherence to the ideals of the wikimedia movement (public focussed, more democratic than most journals) 3. Cynical academics may be drawn by the likely high impact that the journal will likely get form publishing a lot of broad review articles and the exposure of those through wikipedia 4. Multiple 'unique selling points' from being integrated with wikimedia to give further impact: - Obviously, broad review articles are also integrated into Wikipedia so vastly wider read than typical journal reviews - Image-based article can have their figures added to commons (e.g.*10.15347/wjm/2017.008 <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjm/2017.008>*) - It could be a way to peer review parts of wikidata (e.g. whether the Drug interactions (P769) property set is up to date, and what references should support any additions) - possible integration of some articles into wikiversity taught courses (e.g. this teaching case study *10.15347/wjm/2017.006 <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjm/2017.006>*) 5. Indirectly, I also hope it can act as a gateway drug to get more experts wanting to engage in the other projects. Because it accepts submissions straight out of wikipedia, it might also increase the incentive for an academic to contribute to wp if they can later submitting it to wj. *Democracy* So far the only inherently undemocratic part of the project has been the strict requirements on the peer reviewers. Conversely, authors have included professors, students, and people completely unaffiliated with any university. Editorial board composition ranges from the academics you'd expect to see, but also science communicators, science librarians and experienced wikimedians which are uncommon in other journals. The indexed draft areas (currently called WikiJournal Preprints <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_Preprints>) will be a free-for-all. Currently we have no exclusion criteria other than the standard Wikimedia copyvio/slander/etc. If there become problems we might need editors to keep an eye on them like ArXiv does, but I hope to keep it light-touch. *Plan S* The journals definitely intend to be Plan_S compliant. I'll raise the idea of putting out some statement of intention over at the project. Plan_S will likely have a large direct impact in Europe and the US, and likely far wider-reaching indirect ripple effects across all of academic publishing. *Translation* So far there has been little translation of articles. This is possibly because the project started in English, which is especially dominant as a lingua franca in scholarly publishing. However, there have been a few proposals for translation that have been raised: - Translation of whole articles if they are thought by the community to be particularly useful (e.g. *Teladorsagia circumcincta *is one of the most important agricultural parasites*10.15347/wjs/2019.004 <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjs/2019.004>* yet is almost completely absent from wikimedia <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7695599>) - Translation of many/all abstracts into multiple languages Thank you for the the really interesting discussions, ideas and feedback so far! Thomas On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 04:07, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > How often do you expect a scientific article to be translated? > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 7:46 PM James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Wiki Journals use CC BY SA. We do not support or want to us ND as that > > would prevent translation into other languages. That is why I disagree > with > > Plan S's move to allow ND. > > > > James > > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 9:08 AM Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > En.wikiversity user I'm dealing with was a custodian (in other words a > well > > > established user within the community). > > > > > > Keeping it short my main concern is: we are a naturally democratic > > > community, while the science cannot be. Also, we've been attracting low > > > quality "research" for years. > > > > > > Vito > > > > > > Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 16:36 James Heilman < > jmh...@gmail.com> > > > ha > > > scritto: > > > > > > > The peer review process and the editors of the journals in question. > This > > > > is the same mechanism that prevents gibberish from getting into all > peer > > > > reviewed literature. > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 6:30 AM Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In years I've seen countless attempts to put gibberish on our > projects > > > > > which were eventually defeated by the "no original research" > > > principle. > > > > > Even en.wikiversity struggled with a now banned user (and his > > > > > friends/enablers) pushing lots of gibberish about cold fusion, > > > paranormal > > > > > and Wikimedia user themselves. So I ask, what will prevent this > kind of > > > > > gibberish from slowing infiltrating such project? > > > > > > > > > > Don't get me wrong but I think this is the first question in order > to > > > > > define a "business model" for the project: why would a "serious" > > > research > > > > > group choose to publish there instead of already existing OA > journals > > > or > > > > > classical PR journals? > > > > > > > > > > Vito > > > > > > > > > > Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 04:16 Thomas Shafee < > > > > > thomas.sha...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, we put together a little checklist back in round one (*link* > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Notes_on_Plan_S_compliance_criteria > > > > > > > > > > > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > > > Initially there were a few items that are currently not achieved > > > (e.g. > > > > > > JATS-compliant XML formatting). The revised Plan_S has reduced > > > > stringency > > > > > > and all the items that weren't hit happen to be optional. That > being > > > > > said, > > > > > > things like JATS-compliant XML and citation metadata would be > > > valuable > > > > to > > > > > > implement anyway for machine readability. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 04:53, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > It already is Plan-S compliant :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_S#Licensing_and_rights > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Plan-S unfortunately is looking at allowing ND content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 8:14 AM Mister Thrapostibongles < > > > > > > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it intended that the journals should be Plan-S compliant? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thrapostibongles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 9:01 AM Thomas Shafee < > > > > > thomas.sha...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Wikipedians, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the last few years, the WikiJournal User Group > > > > > > > > > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group> > has > > > > been > > > > > > > > building > > > > > > > > > and testing a set of peer reviewed academic journals on a > > > > mediawiki > > > > > > > > > platform. The main types of articles are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Existing Wikipedia articles submitted for external > review > > > > and > > > > > > > > feedback > > > > > > > > > (example <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjs/2018.006>) > > > > > > > > > - From-scratch articles that, after review, are > imported to > > > > > > > Wikipedia > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > example <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjm/2018.001>) > > > > > > > > > - Original research articles that are not imported to > > > > Wikipedia > > > > > > > > (example > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Acute_gastrointestinal_bleeding_from_a_chronic_cause:_a_teaching_case_report > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Proposal: WikiJournals as a new sister project > > > > > > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiJournal>* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From a Wikipedian point of view, this is a complementary > system > > > > to > > > > > > > > Featured > > > > > > > > > article review, but bridging the gap with external experts > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Peer_reviewers > > > > > > > >, > > > > > > > > > implementing established scholarly practices > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Ethics_statement > > > > > > > > >, > > > > > > > > > and generating citable, doi-linked publications > > > > > > > > > < > > > > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Publishing > > > > > >. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please take a look and support/oppose/comment! > > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > > Thomas Shafee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps, We are attempting to improve awareness within the > existing > > > > > > > wikimedia > > > > > > > > > community, so feel free 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