I do not know Romaine, I do not know Caroline, and I do not know much about the events that have led up to all of this other than what has been said on this mailing list. It is easy to take sides in cases like these, based on who you know best, your past experiences with that person, and a multitude of other reasons. I suspect no one truly knows the whole story (even the folks who were directly involved—after all, you can never know the intentions of another person, or how they are interpreting your own actions). But what we do know is that some actions Romaine took led to Trust & Safety deciding they needed to intervene. They are tasked with keeping people within our movement safe, both online and in person at events. In my experience they do an extremely good job.
It is extremely disappointing, and *extremely typical* of the Wikimedia movement, to see an entire thread like this dedicated to supporting someone who Trust & Safety has found to have acted in such a way that they had to intervene. It is even more disappointing to see a person who was affected by his actions told "this is not your story" and "it may help you when you grow some sensitivity and respect this experience, the feelings of others." If you're wondering why women leave the Wikimedia movement, and why Wikimedia has such a bad harassment problem in general, just reflect on this thread. – Molly (GorillaWarfare) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 6:26 PM Pierre-Selim <pierre-se...@huard.info> wrote: > Her POV ? > > Well I can confirm what Caroline said. > > What more do you want ? To verify all other reports ? > > It's sad that things have escalated this far, but may be it's time to > wonder why it escalated like that. There was multiple incidents reported. > Things that should have stayed private were told on this mailing list by > Romaine... well when do we stop this ? > > Please keep in mind when you cast your support here that people who have > reported Romaine might be reading this. > > Le jeu. 20 juin 2019 à 23:12, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > a > écrit : > > > Caroline, > > For me this is not your story. Your insistence of making it so has quite > > the opposite effect. I have known Romaine, the tireless efforts for us > all > > he has given us over the years, I grieve for our collective loss. I do > not > > know you and you are intruding on what is a feeling shared by many. It > may > > help you when you grow some sensitivity and respect this experience, the > > feelings of others. Maybe it is too difficult for you, I do not know as I > > do not know you at all. > > > > What I wonder is to what extend do you know Romaine, to what extend are > you > > stuck in your pov. > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 19:00, Caroline Becker <carobecke...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > This is such a lost. Not only did you waisted an opportunity to learn > and > > > grow from your mistakes the first time, you reiterate here, showing no > > > willingness to grow and learn. > > > > > > But why would you take the difficult path, when by just claiming your > > right > > > to "weirdness" (which I guess only apply to you and none to the people > > you > > > hurt), you're rewarding with public support ? > > > > > > Caroline > > > > > > > > > Le jeu. 20 juin 2019 à 18:55, Dennis During <dcdur...@gmail.com> a > > écrit : > > > > > > > I am ashamed that the movement has a climate that allows this > > unfortunate > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:15 AM Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear community, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About a month ago I have decided that I will indefinitely no longer > > > > attend > > > > > any WMF funded events as result of bullying, attempts to silence > me, > > > > > intimidation and treats against me. This has resulted in that I > feel > > > > > extremely unsafe as the result of the behaviour of only a few > > > > individuals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dennis C. 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