Also, "use the mailing list" is a problem in itself. Discussion should be taking place publicly and on-wiki, not via email. Lack of transparency in this process is a serious problem, and it is exacerbated by trying to push discussions to a private medium. Discussions should take place openly and in public.
Todd On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:38 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Diane, > > If there will be a new discussion (and rightly so), what happens to the > "harmonization sprint in Tunis on 20-22 September" mentioned by Nicole in > her messages? > I don't believe there will be much to harmonize between the new discussion > with the community takes place. > > Best, > Paulo > > > Diane Ranville <dranville-...@wikimedia.org> escreveu no dia sexta, > 13/09/2019 à(s) 14:20: > > > Hi Andy, > > > > Working groups are currently working off-wiki on a new version that will > > soon be submitted to discussion again. Current versions are indeed not > > being updated (I think they are not meant to be). > > If you want to reach out directly to the diversity working group, I > suggest > > using their mailing list : wg2030-divers...@wikimedia.org > > > > Best, > > Diane > > (community strategy liaison for the french speaking community) > > > > < > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > Garanti > > sans virus. www.avast.com > > < > > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:28 PM Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> > > wrote: > > > > > The section remains unchanged. Is anyone planning to update it? > > > > > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 14:29, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Jeff Hawke <geoffey.ha...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett < > > > a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke < > geoffey.ha...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the > > > > > > > recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF > > > > > > > > > > > > This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step; the > > one > > > > > > where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the wider > > > Wikimedia > > > > > > community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That step is not mentioned at > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_steps_will_take_place_in_the_next_few_months_to_put_a_decision-making_process_in_place > > > ? > > > > > > > > But it is alluded to further down that page, albeit with an apparent > > > > assumption that the recommendations will (all) be implemented: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_are_the_steps_that_will_take_place_between_recommendations_being_published_and_implementation > > > ? > > > > > > > > In the light of Nicole's recent - and reassuring - email: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-August/093303.html > > > > > > > > perhaps that section could be updated to reflect that: > > > > > > > > "[recommendations not needing the legal authority of the board] > will > > > > then be further delegated to other community mechanisms and > > > > structures for approval or further consultation." > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Andy Mabbett > > > > @pigsonthewing > > > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Andy Mabbett > > > @pigsonthewing > > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
