Gerard, Katherine and Wikimedians, Am wondering if the Wikimedia Foundation is in Google for NonProfits which is holding an online training for managing volunteers on September 10th - https://events.withgoogle.com/google-for-nonprofits-live-stream-series/.
(WUaS is in Google for Nonprofits and is attending this). Scott Scott_WUaS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Scott_WorldUnivAndSch On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 10:48 PM Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > Research on the acquisition of new volunteers shows that most new people > drop out because of perceived hostility. This excercise of formulating a > strategy for 2030 aims to address this among other objectives. It follows > that when new volunteers that stick is an important objective, the status > quo cannot be maintained. When people threaten to leave because the status > quo, their power base is threatened, they are welcome to take a leave of > absence and as Jan-Bart said in them days we hope they will reconsider. > > Mind you, I am not a fan-boy of the new strategy. I was in Stockholm and I > made several points where I think the strategy fails. > > The problem that I have with "advocates for the community" is that like > lawyers they do not necessarily self include and certainly take no > responsiblity. Their point would be more clear when they say "I will leave > our community because... ". Our community will be better off when some bad > apples but "pillars of the community" leave. Our community would be better > off when we argue in stead of state opinions. Let's be on point and to the > point. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 22:39, Jeff Hawke <geoffey.ha...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Gerard > > > > A good point. The "community" in one sense is simply the collection of > all > > those people who happen over any given time period to be working for the > > WMF for free. In another sense, it is the structures and cultures found > on > > the various projects. I think my question could best have been phrased > in > > terms of the first meaning -- that is, does the WMF Board expect that > after > > these recommendations are enacted, and, as we may reasonably predict, a > > large proportion of the current volunteers cease their invlvement, that > > there will be a sufficient number of continuing and new volunteers to > > sustain the projects in the way the WMF desires. It seems odd that the > > Board would not have even begun to consider this question, but it is of > > course for them and not for us to decide. > > > > Jeff > > > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 7:10 PM Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hoi, > > > Your notion of community is what I question. It is in your refusal of > > > accepting that English Wikipedia is not a safe place, in your notion > that > > > the WMF failed, you fail to accept that it is the WMF that is the > arbiter > > > of last resort. You also fail to appreciate that the Wikimedia > Foundation > > > is not a democracy. Only some of the board members are elected by the > > > community. The notion that elected officials are beholden to the > > electorate > > > has been spectacularly put on display in the United States so no they > are > > > not beholden to you nor me. > > > > > > "We" do not consider facts, we hide behind opinions. The result is that > > our > > > projects could do so much better once opinions are left for what they > are > > > in the face of proven facts. We claim our references are important but > > > references to our behaviour have been reduced to who said what, where > and > > > when. > > > > > > Maybe the recommendations of working groups are not better in your > > opinion > > > nor mine. In the end it does not matter because there is so much that > > needs > > > an overhaul that defensive postures are exactly the behaviour that is > > best > > > to be disregarded. What is needed is accepting the need for change, > > > consider what the recommendations are and consider them along the lines > > of > > > how we could improve upon them. > > > Thanks > > > GerardM > > > > > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 19:20, Peter Southwood < > > > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Gerard, > > > > It is not clear who you are addressing here, but I am going to assume > > it > > > > is Benjamin, who made the original claim. It is a fair question, and > > some > > > > clarification would be welcome. > > > > English Wikipedia may have failed to provide a safe environment, but > > the > > > > WMF has failed possibly even more "spectacularly", and the > > > recommendations > > > > of the Working Group do not appear to be likely to be any better or > > more > > > > effective. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] > On > > > > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:29 PM > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations > are > > > > here! > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > May I ask what you mean with "the" community? If anything the > Wikimedia > > > > community exists in some 300 parts and every parts has as many > distinct > > > > opinions. There are essential conflicts of interest, by some there > is a > > > > sense of entitlement, either based on possession or based on promises > > > made. > > > > > > > > In many ways, what Jan-Bart wrote at the time makes as much sense > then > > as > > > > it made now. The model of self governance within a project works up > to > > a > > > > point but when it is then pointed out to it where it fails to meet > > > > expectations, like it does when it is tasked to provide a safe > > > environment, > > > > it fails spectacularly. There is plenty of evidence showing how the > > well > > > > fortified positions the English Wikipedia community among others has > > > taken, > > > > fails our readers in providing the best possible quality. > > > > > > > > So what community and why should we bother when it is not even that > > great > > > > as an abstraction. > > > > Thanks, > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 17:48, Peter Southwood < > > > > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Benjamin, > > > > > Has the board or any member of the board made any statement > > suggesting > > > > > that the board might overrule the community in this matter? > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Benjamin Ikuta > > > > > Sent: 24 August 2019 07:12 > > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations > > are > > > > > here! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is disturbing that you would even consider overriding the > > community > > > in > > > > > such a massive way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 23, 2019, at 9:44 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The board will be discussing this of course. We do not have a > group > > > > > > position at this point in time. > > > > > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Jeff Hawke < > > geoffey.ha...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> James > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks for that. As a member of the Board, would you clarify > the > > > > > Board's > > > > > >> position on whether it is prepared to see the final > > Recommendations > > > > > >> implemented irrespective of any disagreement from the community? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Jeff > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:05 PM James Heilman < > jmh...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> I for one do not agree with Jan-Bart's prior position. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> James > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:40 AM Jeff Hawke < > > > geoffey.ha...@gmail.com> > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> Paulo, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> You suggest that "things will not get pretty if the Wikimedia > > > > > community > > > > > >>>> does not approve some of the recommendations". You may recall > > > that > > > > > >> just > > > > > >>>> five years ago, Jan-Bart de Vreede, then chair of the WMF > Board, > > > > > >>> expressed > > > > > >>>> the opinion > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)&diff=prev&oldid=9585319 > > > > > >>>> over > > > > > >>>> a much less dramatic change. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> All of this is going to require change, change that might not > > be > > > > > >>>> acceptable to some of you. I hope that all of you will be a > part > > > of > > > > > >> this > > > > > >>>> next step in our evolution. But I understand that if you > decide > > to > > > > > >> take a > > > > > >>>> wiki-break, that might be the way things have to be. Even so, > > you > > > > have > > > > > >> to > > > > > >>>> let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that > > next > > > > step > > > > > >>> when > > > > > >>>> needed. I can only hope that your break is temporary, and that > > you > > > > > will > > > > > >>>> return when the time is right. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> I presume this is a good summary of the WMF position today. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Jeff > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:06 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > > > > > >>>> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> If I've well understood the timeline, all input from the > > > Wikimedia > > > > > >>>>> community ceases in mid September. Then it's all defined by > the > > > WGs > > > > > >>> 8and > > > > > >>>>> their advisors), and eventually decided upon by the BoT > around > > > > > >>> December. > > > > > >>>>> Therefore, after 15 September or so, the Wikimedia community > > will > > > > > >> only > > > > > >>> be > > > > > >>>>> dealing with those recommendations again when they are > already > > in > > > > the > > > > > >>>>> process of implementation. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> It's quite easy to predict that things will not get pretty if > > the > > > > > >>>> Wikimedia > > > > > >>>>> community does not approve some of the recommendations that > > pass > > > > all > > > > > >>> the > > > > > >>>>> way till implementation phase. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Paulo > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Nicole Ebber <nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de> escreveu no dia > > quinta, > > > > > >>>>> 22/08/2019 > > > > > >>>>> à(s) 11:58: > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Dear all, > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Thank you for your engagement and input. It’s been great > > seeing > > > so > > > > > >>> much > > > > > >>>>>> attention on movement strategy and collaborative efforts for > > > > > >> building > > > > > >>>> our > > > > > >>>>>> future. Here are a couple of follow up responses and > > > > > >> clarifications. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> DRAFTS > > > > > >>>>>> As pointed out in my previous email, the documents we > recently > > > > > >> shared > > > > > >>>> are > > > > > >>>>>> recommendation drafts. They are not final, and not complete, > > but > > > > > >>>> working > > > > > >>>>>> documents that are currently being refined by the working > > > groups. > > > > > >>> Some > > > > > >>>>>> answers still read like stubs that are longing for further > > > > > >>> development, > > > > > >>>>>> others are very detailed and will become more focused over > the > > > > next > > > > > >>> few > > > > > >>>>>> weeks. We still decided to publish everything at once, to > give > > > > > >>>> everyone a > > > > > >>>>>> full picture of the variety of topics and offer an insight > > into > > > > > >>>> multiple > > > > > >>>>>> progress levels. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> I would also like to reiterate that movement values, > > priorities > > > > and > > > > > >>>>>> community conversation processes are high on our radar. A > > > > > >>>> recommendation > > > > > >>>>> to > > > > > >>>>>> change the existing license model, for example, will not > just > > go > > > > > >>>> through > > > > > >>>>> a > > > > > >>>>>> quick approval process, but lead to a deeper exploration > into > > > the > > > > > >>>>> reasoning > > > > > >>>>>> behind it: What problems are we trying to tackle, and what > > could > > > > be > > > > > >>>> ways > > > > > >>>>> to > > > > > >>>>>> mitigate them? Such recommendation would then rather suggest > > to > > > > > >> look > > > > > >>>> into > > > > > >>>>>> different measures to ensure indigenous knowledge is > included > > in > > > > > >> the > > > > > >>>>>> Wikimedia ecosystem, deploy research and further > consultation, > > > > > >>> instead > > > > > >>>> of > > > > > >>>>>> rushing to a quick fix. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> INTEGRATION > > > > > >>>>>> The working groups are taking input that they gathered at > > > > Wikimania > > > > > >>> and > > > > > >>>>> via > > > > > >>>>>> different movement channels and incorporating it into the > next > > > > > >>>> iteration > > > > > >>>>> of > > > > > >>>>>> their recommendations. These documents will then serve as a > > > basis > > > > > >> for > > > > > >>>>>> harmonization across working groups. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> The input that we are gathering comes in on different > levels. > > > Some > > > > > >> of > > > > > >>>> it > > > > > >>>>>> targets structural level changes or emphasizes specific > > > principles > > > > > >> or > > > > > >>>>>> values, while other feedback is more on the programmatic > side > > or > > > > > >>>> already > > > > > >>>>>> addressing implementation. Structural input will continue to > > be > > > > > >>>>> considered > > > > > >>>>>> in forthcoming iterations of the recommendations. > Programmatic > > > > > >> input > > > > > >>>> will > > > > > >>>>>> be documented and taken forward to inform the > implementation. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> TIMELINE > > > > > >>>>>> We wanted to get the English drafts out as soon as possible > > and > > > > the > > > > > >>>>>> translations on a rolling basis, so that Wikimania > > participants > > > > > >> could > > > > > >>>>> read > > > > > >>>>>> and prepare to engage in person. Over the next few weeks, we > > > will > > > > > >> do > > > > > >>>>>> targeted, public outreach to online project communities in > > > > multiple > > > > > >>>>>> languages. We are soliciting feedback to shape the overall > > > > > >> direction > > > > > >>> of > > > > > >>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>> recommendations through mid-September. Working Groups are > > > already > > > > > >>>> working > > > > > >>>>>> on identifying gaps and overlaps with other groups to > prepare > > > for > > > > > >>>>>> harmonization. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> At the harmonization sprint in Tunis on 20-22 September, we > > will > > > > > >>> bring > > > > > >>>> 3 > > > > > >>>>>> representatives from each Working Group together to work to > > > > > >> develop a > > > > > >>>>> more > > > > > >>>>>> coherent set of recommendations. The group will be supported > > by > > > > > >>>>>> facilitators and external advice, as well as the core team. > We > > > > have > > > > > >>>> also > > > > > >>>>>> invited María Sefidari, Katherine Maher, Ryan Merkley, > Valerie > > > > > >>> D’Costa > > > > > >>>>>> (Wikimedia Foundation) and Abraham Taherivand (Wikimedia > > > > > >> Deutschland) > > > > > >>>> to > > > > > >>>>>> the sprint. They contribute expertise and experience from > > their > > > > > >> work > > > > > >>>> and > > > > > >>>>>> leadership in the movement and beyond. They will be active > > > > > >> listeners > > > > > >>>> and > > > > > >>>>>> can challenge recommendations by pointing out risks and > > > > > >> consequences > > > > > >>> on > > > > > >>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>> organizational and movement level. They also participate as > > the > > > > > >>>>>> representatives of organizations that may be impacted by the > > > > > >>>>>> recommendations. Involving them early is important so they > can > > > > > >>>> anticipate > > > > > >>>>>> any possible changes for their staff and programs, and plan > > for > > > > > >>>>>> implementation. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Our aim is to release recommendations in November 2019, and > > > > present > > > > > >>>> them > > > > > >>>>> to > > > > > >>>>>> the Board of Trustees for approval in December. We will need > > the > > > > > >>> legal > > > > > >>>>>> authority of the board for some of the recommendations, > while > > > > > >> others > > > > > >>>> will > > > > > >>>>>> then be further delegated to other community mechanisms and > > > > > >>> structures > > > > > >>>>> for > > > > > >>>>>> approval or further consultation.[1] There will be > additional > > > > > >> public > > > > > >>>>>> consultation activities around implementation that will be > > > > > >> discussed > > > > > >>>> and > > > > > >>>>>> owned across the movement. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> WORKING GROUPS > > > > > >>>>>> We have chosen the working group model to ensure that the > > > process > > > > > >>> that > > > > > >>>>>> embarks to make significant changes to our movement > structures > > > is > > > > > >>> owned > > > > > >>>>> by > > > > > >>>>>> the community. Members of the nine working group were > selected > > > by > > > > a > > > > > >>>>>> steering committee and the groups were established in July > > > > 2019.[2] > > > > > >>>> Group > > > > > >>>>>> members come from different parts of the movement, e.g. from > > > > > >>> different > > > > > >>>>>> regions and languages, from individual contributors and > > > organized > > > > > >>>> groups, > > > > > >>>>>> and with different volunteer and staff roles, incl. > Wikimedia > > > > > >>>> Foundation > > > > > >>>>>> staff and board. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> The groups are doing an amazing job. With many of them being > > > > > >>>> volunteers, > > > > > >>>>> or > > > > > >>>>>> doing this work on top of their regular jobs, creating the > > draft > > > > > >>>>>> recommendations is a huge achievement. They first needed to > > > form, > > > > > >>> storm > > > > > >>>>> and > > > > > >>>>>> norm as a group and figure out how to best work together > > across > > > > > >> time > > > > > >>>>> zones, > > > > > >>>>>> languages, and contexts. They then took a deep dive into the > > > > > >>> substance > > > > > >>>>> and > > > > > >>>>>> identified the scope of their work and the specific > questions > > to > > > > > >>> tackle > > > > > >>>>> for > > > > > >>>>>> us as a movement to advance in our strategic direction. The > > > > > >>> development > > > > > >>>>> of > > > > > >>>>>> recommendations has started in spring this year, and – aside > > > from > > > > > >>> many > > > > > >>>>>> online calls, asynchronous work and scarce in-person > meetings > > – > > > > > >>>> included > > > > > >>>>>> incorporating community conversations and external > expertise. > > It > > > > is > > > > > >>>> only > > > > > >>>>> to > > > > > >>>>>> the hard work of these groups that we finally have something > > > > > >> tangible > > > > > >>>> in > > > > > >>>>>> front of us that we can all react to and help further > improve > > to > > > > > >>> build > > > > > >>>>> our > > > > > >>>>>> future together. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Please join us in thanking, celebrating and supporting them, > > > > rather > > > > > >>>> than > > > > > >>>>>> rushing to conclusions or arguing over details. Please > > > contribute > > > > > >> in > > > > > >>>>> good > > > > > >>>>>> faith, and in a constructive way. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Let me know if you have further questions. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Best wishes, > > > > > >>>>>> Nicole > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> [1] > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/July_2018_-_Board_of_Trustees_participation_in_the_Movement_Strategy_Process > > > > > >>>>>> [2] > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Procedures > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 13:13, Yaroslav Blanter < > > > ymb...@gmail.com> > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> And this is the core problem of the whole process (which > has > > > been > > > > > >>>>> pointed > > > > > >>>>>>> out by multiple people from the very beginning) > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> Cheers > > > > > >>>>>>> Yaroslav > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Jeff Hawke < > > > > > >>> geoffey.ha...@gmail.com > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Andy > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett < > > > > > >>>>>> a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke < > > > > > >>>> geoffey.ha...@gmail.com> > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the WG then collate them and decide the final form of > the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate > > step; > > > > > >>> the > > > > > >>>>> one > > > > > >>>>>>>>> where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the > > wider > > > > > >>>>>> Wikimedia > > > > > >>>>>>>>> community. > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> That step is not mentioned at > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_steps_will_take_place_in_the_next_few_months_to_put_a_decision-making_process_in_place > > > > > >>>>>>>> ? > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Jeff > > > > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>>>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > >>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > and > > > > > >>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > >>>>>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe: > > > > > >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > >>>>>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > >>>> ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > >>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and > > > > > >>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > >>>>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > >>>>>>> Unsubscribe: > > > > > >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > >>>>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > >>> ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> -- > > > > > >>>>>> Nicole Ebber > > > > > >>>>>> Adviser International Relations > > > > > >>>>>> Program Manager Wikimedia 2030 Movement Strategy > > > > > >>>>>> Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 > > > > Berlin > > > > > >>>>>> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 > > > > > >>>>>> https://wikimedia.de > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Unsere Vision ist eine Welt, in der alle Menschen am Wissen > > der > > > > > >>>>> Menschheit > > > > > >>>>>> teilhaben, es nutzen und mehren können. Helfen Sie uns > dabei! > > > > > >>>>>> https://spenden.wikimedia.de > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Wikimedia Deutschland — Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien > > > Wissens > > > > > >> e. > > > > > >>> V. > > > > > >>>>>> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts > > > > > >> Berlin-Charlottenburg > > > > > >>>>> unter > > > > > >>>>>> der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das > > > Finanzamt > > > > > >>> für > > > > > >>>>>> Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207. > > > > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and > > > > > >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > >>>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > >>>>>> Unsubscribe: > > > > > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > >>>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > >> ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > >>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > >>>>> Unsubscribe: > > > > > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > >>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > >>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > >>>> Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > , > > > > > >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> James Heilman > > > > > >>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > >>> Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > >> Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > , > > > > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > James Heilman > > > > > > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > > > > https://www.avg.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- -- - Scott MacLeod - Founder & President - https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch - World University and School - http://worlduniversityandschool.org - http://scottmacleod.com - CC World University and School - like CC Wikipedia with best STEM-centric CC OpenCourseWare - incorporated as a nonprofit university and school in California, and is a U.S. 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt educational organization. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
