Hello Anders, Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most neutral way.
Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want to tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate other opinions? Or do you think that opponents need a better „attitude“? Kind regards, Ziko Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> schrieb am Di. 21. Jan. 2020 um 12:14: > Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live > on the same planet. > > A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end > result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as > I can see. > > And I believe whatever we think of the endresult we should commend the > people who have participated, both their commitment and quality of work. > > As a 8 hours-a- day contributor to a project, I know, as all my > colleagues, the importance to have a positive tone in our > communityinternal conversation and always be strong in good faith. And I > meet that positive tone in my activities in the community and when I > meet volunteers and functionaries IRL. But in this list i find > appalling negative entries as i find to be in direct opposition to our > movement values. > > So please, please use a better tone and attitude in this discussion of > the recommendations > > Andersw > > > > > Den 2020-01-21 kl. 11:49, skrev Fæ: > > Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want. > > > > Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it. > An > > openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the > > community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that are > > accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the > > community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their > > interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing > > political games to get around it. > > > > I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations and > > wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a > correctly > > community-led process for voting on it. > > > > As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any > > feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as > shouting > > out of your office window expecting to make the weather change. > > > > Fae > > > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not > going > >> to let the communities vote on the recommendations. > >> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Community_consensus > >> > >> Kind regards > >> Ziko > >> > >> Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter < > >> ymb...@gmail.com>: > >> > >>> We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to > react > >>> this time). > >>> > >>> Best > >>> Yaroslav > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Katherine, > >>>> > >>>> These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the > >> feedback > >>>> on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect > >>>> anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be > >>>> talking to the wall? > >>>> > >>>> Todd > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kma...@wikimedia.org> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Dear all, > >>>>> > >>>>> I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the > >> movement > >>>>> strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On > >>>> behalf > >>>>> of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I > >>> am > >>>>> honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to > >>>> read > >>>>> through, review, and comment. > >>>>> > >>>>> In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020, > >>>> your > >>>>> fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can > >>>> bring > >>>>> to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the > >>>>> ecosystem of free knowledge. > >>>>> > >>>>> == Review the recommendations == > >>>>> > >>>>> These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth > >>> discussions > >>>>> and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and > >> research > >>>>> into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2], > >>>>> writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a > >>>> significant > >>>>> amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each > >> and > >>>>> every person who contributed to creating this work. > >>>>> > >>>>> I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 > >>>>> recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of > >>> the > >>>>> principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how > >>> these > >>>>> recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the > >>>>> recommendations were produced and next steps [7]. > >>>>> > >>>>> The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, > >> German, > >>>>> Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in > >>>>> Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a > >>>> condensed > >>>>> introduction to the recommendations material. > >>>>> > >>>>> == Share your feedback == > >>>>> > >>>>> In order to produce a final document that is representative of and > >>>> relevant > >>>>> to the diverse project communities as well as groups and > >> organizations > >>>> that > >>>>> make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the > >>>>> recommendations and share their thoughts. > >>>>> > >>>>> Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations > >>>> might > >>>>> have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are > >>>>> happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups > >> on > >>>>> other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures. > >>>>> > >>>>> This round of community conversations will run until the first week > >> of > >>>>> March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a > >>>>> summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, > >> and > >>>>> other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role > >>> as > >>>>> the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move > >> us > >>>>> towards discussions around implementation. > >>>>> > >>>>> You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], > >> and > >>>>> please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective > >>> meta > >>>>> pages. > >>>>> > >>>>> Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it > >>> invaluable > >>>>> skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free > >>>> knowledge. > >>>>> And every single contribution made by every community member from the > >>>>> beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique > >>>> movement > >>>>> we are today. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am > >>> looking > >>>>> forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks. > >>>>> > >>>>> Katherine > >>>>> > >>>>> [1] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations > >>>>> [2] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups > >>>>> [3] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase > >>>>> [4] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons > >>>>> [5] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles > >>>>> [6] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note > >>>>> [7] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process > >>>>> [8] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this > >>>>> ? > >>>>> [9] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline > >>>>> [10] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>>> Katherine Maher (she/her) > >>>>> > >>>>> Executive Director > >>>>> > >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>>> Unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
